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The sprocket will slide over the offset key and the key will not stick out. I have not read of any Keys shearing or snapping off.
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The key is really only meant to index the gear to the cam. There is a bolt that secures the gear onto the cam and if it is torqued properly then the key sees very little force.
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I am doing this tomorrow on both my 617 and 603. Today when I was replacing the vac pump in my 603 I looked at the IP. First off I see no primer... So where do I prime it to get the drip from the tube? Second, I can't seem to find the bolts I need to loosen in order to rotate the pump. On the SD I see all the stuff I need to get to. My final question is the chain stretch. My SD has just under 5 degrees of stretch. How does that figure in to the 24 degree BTDC? Do I add to that or subtract or what? I did some searching but most the info is for the 617 and I have both. My Army diesel mechanic friend told me to just adjust the pump with the engine running until the engine smoothed out. And that was how they timed HUMVEE's Anyway, Thanks
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nobody?
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Go to this site and pic your Engine to see. http://www.ps2cho.net/downloads/MB%20CD/W124/Main.html You do not have to figure the 5 degrees of stretch as you will be correcting the late IP timing when you rotate it to get that 1 drop per second. The reason is that you are setting the begin of injection (using the Drip Method) on the IP to correspond to a certain place where the #1 Piston is on the Compression Stroke and the 24 degrees on the Crank Damper is used to referance that. You are not timing the IP to the Camshaft. However, you will still have 5 degrees late Camshaft Timing. Another choice would be to use the more accurate 2mm method to check your Timing Chain Stretch and install the correct offset key to restore the Camshaft Timing. Afterwich, do the IP timing.
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Thanks for the link. I knew about the German site with the CD manuals online but I have never seen this one. I thought I needed the AB light for my 124 but could not see the "plug in" spot on the IP. The timing stretch makes sense now that you explained it. I know I need to shim it but the SD is a glorified parts car/winter beater. I just want to try to lose this engine shake and recover some fuel economy. Thanks again.
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Keep in mind any of the internet manuals are subject to dissapear without notice!
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so where do u get an offset key?
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The Dealer for sure Fastlane maybe.
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The key only corrects cam timing, not IP timing. Delivery of fuel timing will still need to be checked/corrected.
Also note that the measured chain stretch at the camshaft will be considerably more than what will create the 'late' fuel delivery. This is due to the cam sprocket at the total length of the chain and the IP is at maybe half the driven length. The crankshaft pulls the chain along... |
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I timed the 617 today, the 603 needs the AB light.
The DIY mentions 3 bolts to loosen. I only found three(nuts) on the IP flange. With all three loose the IP did move although not very much(1/2" at most). I got the engine at 26 degree BTDC, Forced Induction mentioned trying that number. I never really got the fuel to drip from the tube. At first it did then the primer would leak fuel from underneath and the fuel would come out the drip tube in a stream. I messed with it for a while and then got the IP in a place I thought was good. My inital mark I made with a marker is now about 1/8" away from where it was. The IP got rotated towards me about 1/8". I would have liked to have seen the pump move atleast an inch in adjustment but I could only get it to move back and fourth about 1/2". So now the engine does not start quite as well as it did... It seems to lope(?) like a gasser with an agrresive cam in it. But it does have more power off the line. I did adjust a little bit of slack out of the throtle linkage. And I did lose some of the idle shake. So is it timed?? I have no idea. I may try it again. Is there a 4th bolt/nut at the rear of the IP? I was happy to get the throtle linkage cleaned/lubed AND that darn air cleaner finally secured.
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My new parts car OM601 shakes something fierce at idle. Do you think I should try to adjust the timing to smooth it out. It is a "mis at idle" type of shake and not a motor mount thing. I have to drive it from the east coast to Indiana at the end of the month.
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The above comment in red make me think that you were standing by the drivers side Fender and Rotating the top of the IP towards you. If you did this it would retard the IP timing. Rotating the top of the IP towards the Engine advances the timing. It is also a help if someone else pumps the hand primer for you and you can concentrate on turning the IP and watching the drips (Injector Hard lines removed to make the IP easier to turn, Throttle in the full fuel position, Hose to the Vacuum Shutoff removed). If you wire the Throttle in Full Fuel be sure to tape a not on the Steering Wheel so that you do not start the Engine with it like that.
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If the Injector is good and everthing in the Cylinder is working properly when you loosen the Hard Line nut you should cause a noticable differance in the idle. If there is something wrong with the Injector or that Cylinder loosening the nut will not have much effect on the idle. If you locate a bad Cylinder you can find out if it is the Injector itself causing the problem by swapping one of the Injectors that is good with the one you think is bad. If the problem follows that suspected bad Injector it is the Injector causing the miss. You could also be haveing an air leak somewhere in the fuel inlet system. You might be able to see if a motor mount is collasped.
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