PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/)
-   Diesel Discussion (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/)
-   -   Refurbing the Dash Light Rheostat (Caution: For The Purists Out There) (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/259970-refurbing-dash-light-rheostat-caution-purists-out-there.html)

tankowner 11-23-2011 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHZR2 (Post 2833498)
Two quick questions on this (great DIY BTW).

1) does the black knob have to be pulled off first from the frontside?

No, there is a metal piece that fits into the plastic knob - it pulls out from behind when you remove the rheostat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHZR2 (Post 2833498)
2) not to be too lazy or anything, but if one didnt want to break all the connections and take the risk pulling the cluster, how feasible would it be to unscrew the rheostat from behind and just pull it off with the cluster in place or just pulled out into the gap between its hole and the steering wheel? Sure it is a bit tougher to do it by feel, but there are other benefits to doing it this way.

Thanks!

Hmmm, not sure. May be possible, probably not very easy - but I never tried. I think would would at least have to push or pull the cluster out enough to see the rheostat, but probably still tough to get at. It doesn't take too much to disconnect the cluster, just keep track of where eveything goes - draw a simple diagram to help out as you undo things. Or use your camera to snap a couple pics first.

tankowner 11-23-2011 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbzjag8090 (Post 2833544)
Any idea if you could do this refurbishment on an 84 W126?

If it has the same style cluster with rheostat, then yes. If you want to find out, pull or push out the cluster and look to see if there is one there. I think it is the same, but not positive.

mbzjag8090 11-27-2011 07:46 PM

Did this today on my W126 1984 300SD. Easy and great improvement. Mine was to the point where it wouldn't adjust the lighting. It would only work on a single setting which was high. Took it apart and the resistance coil was in fine shape. Lots of white powder in and around it though. I think that was keeping it from working.

Many thanks for the pictures and explanation. I was planning on needing a new one.

83benzo 12-07-2011 10:34 PM

many thanks
 
Thanks for the post, worked like a charm. No more driving at night with a flashlight. An added bonus, from taking the instrument panel out and re-installing the circular pin connector my temp gauge no longer jumps around. And I thought i needed a new temp sender.

240Dpdx 01-29-2012 10:45 PM

Great Post thanks. I just bought an 83 240D and the instrument lights and console lights went out. Originally I thought it was a fuse but none of the fuses seemed to be bad. I actually couldn't figure out exactly which fuse controls those lights - there is one that says inst. clust. but I wasn't sure if that was for the actual gauges or for the lights. At any rate, when I pulled that fuse the gauges stopped working so presumably the fuse was good. Does anyone know the specific fuse for those lights? Since nothing else is not working, it probably is not the fuse but I'd hate to pull everything out just to find out later that it is. Also, in the event that I can't get the rheostat working after I pull it, does anybody know where I can find info on repairing using a jump wire?
Thanks

Yak 01-30-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240Dpdx (Post 2874412)
Great Post thanks. I just bought an 83 240D and the instrument lights and console lights went out. Originally I thought it was a fuse but none of the fuses seemed to be bad. I actually couldn't figure out exactly which fuse controls those lights - there is one that says inst. clust. but I wasn't sure if that was for the actual gauges or for the lights. At any rate, when I pulled that fuse the gauges stopped working so presumably the fuse was good. Does anyone know the specific fuse for those lights? Since nothing else is not working, it probably is not the fuse but I'd hate to pull everything out just to find out later that it is. Also, in the event that I can't get the rheostat working after I pull it, does anybody know where I can find info on repairing using a jump wire?
Thanks

It's probably fuse 1, but you probably pulled fuse 12. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/general-information/242913-fuse-box-chart-what-fuse-goes-where.html Post #5.

Have you looked in the DIY wiki? W123 dash light rheostat rebuild. No it's not a jumper, but you can try the rebuild first, and if your's is too far gone, you can easily jumper it while out. PeachPartsWiki: Dash Light Rheostat Rebuild (yes, that's also this thread).

There are plenty of other threads w/ pics of various jumpers.

Or the easiest temp fix of all: gently but quickly rotate the switch a few times with the headlights on in a dark environment. Do the lights magically appear? Maybe the rheostat is dirty or corroded in that spot. Moving the switch may clean it enough for contact.

JHZR2 01-30-2012 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankowner (Post 2833585)
No, there is a metal piece that fits into the plastic knob - it pulls out from behind when you remove the rheostat.



Hmmm, not sure. May be possible, probably not very easy - but I never tried. I think would would at least have to push or pull the cluster out enough to see the rheostat, but probably still tough to get at. It doesn't take too much to disconnect the cluster, just keep track of where eveything goes - draw a simple diagram to help out as you undo things. Or use your camera to snap a couple pics first.



Well, my issue in my 82 is that even with new speedometer cable, the unit is VERY sensitive to position to prevent bounce at low speed and/or high speed.

So minimal movement to the cluster would be great.

And to have to disconnect the oil pressure gauge connector is always a risk in a leak-free system.

240Dpdx 01-31-2012 02:28 AM

Thanks for the tip Yak

supercub 01-31-2012 08:48 AM

And most of the time the fixed used part is better than a new one.

Oldwolf 01-31-2012 05:11 PM

This is an interesting thread. I recently had my instrument cluster rebuilt. When he was doing that he went ahead and cleaned the rheostat for me. Now it is bright without the flickering I use to get when changing the illumination setting.

whunter 12-19-2012 04:47 PM

Yes, I'm talkin ta ya :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tankowner (Post 2280527)
My dash and console lights were not working on the '83 240D. After doing some searching I realized that it had to be the rheostat located on the back of the instrument panel. If you own an older MB and none of your dash or console light are working, there's a good chance your rheostat is corroded. What is a rheostat you say? A rheostat is simply a device that allows you to control the resistance in a circuit. In this case, it allows you to control the brightness of the dash lights. Unfortunately, the internal contacts tend to corrode over time and eventually enough corrosion will halt the current flow through the rheostat with the end result being no more lights.

The most common "fix" for a bum rheostat is to simply solder a jumper wire across the two metal strips on the back of the rheostat. This effectively bypasses the internal components, which is good because it gets your lights back. However, in doing so you sacrifice the ability to dim your lights if you want to. The argument for bypassing the rheostat is that, even on "high", the dash lights in these older MB cars are not all that bright. After fixing mine, I agree, but nevertheless, I still wanted to open up the rheostat to see what it looked like inside and, once I did, I realized it wouldn't be a hard fix - so I cleaned up the contacts, put it back together and now it works great. What follows is a DIY on refurbing you dash light rheostat.

Special request:
Can you re-post all of the pictures, this looses a lot of value without them.

Thanks.


.

crazy4diesel 06-04-2014 08:22 PM

Yeah, I'd like to do this, if the pics were attached to the thread...

I found the wiki for it though...yippy http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123DashLightRheostat

Razz 03-09-2015 10:02 PM

I wish the pics had not been deleted. Cant see any of them. :(

Chuck W. 06-12-2020 06:09 PM

Great post. Just did it on my 1982 W123. Only had to unscrew the speedometer cable and the large electrical connector on the left side. Then pull the panel up and from the underside extract the rheostat. I was able to easily unscrew the philips head holding the rheostat and easily pull it off without removing the steering wheel.

JHZR2 06-13-2020 01:51 AM

Here are some pics. I left my clusters in place because at least my 82 is very sensitive to cable routing for needle bounce. It’s easy to unscrew the unit and pull straight out the back..

Then clean well, fit some decent wire, solder, and replace.

https://i.imgur.com/muaUTpll.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ugtE37Ml.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4XPKsQPl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q0BJa8Gl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SwcLV7Ul.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pfzINZUl.jpg

Note I think in the end the resistance metered out to 0.3 ohm or something.

Note also, this was the first one I did. After that, I bought a seller soldering gun from a Lowe’s, which was much better for doing this...


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:44 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website