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Homo and annular axles

I have both a homokinetic style axle and a annular style axle on my wagon. They both need to be replaced. Do the hubs that go with the annular style axles also have shims? I'd rather have one style on the car not two, but I need the shim that goes with the homokinetic axles. Or should I just stick to both styles?

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lol u said homo. whats the difference?
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:36 AM
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The Shims/Spacers are supposed to be part of the Differential. However, they make different sized spacers (there is a recent thread on this).

No matter what type of Axle you use you may have to change the Shims/Spacers.

There is also 3 different type of Bolt setups that go into the end of the Axle that goes into the Wheel Bearing Hub.

With both of the above issues you need to have the Replacement Axles before you can sort it out.
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:08 AM
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lol u said homo. whats the difference?
The end of the Axle that attaches to the Differential is made differently.
On my year and model I can use either type but they are supposed to be used as a set.
The Red Arrows on the Annular one point to the bolts that go through it. The Homokinetic one has no Bolts.
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You might want to read up on the 2 types of Axles. I believe I read that the Annlular ones can be re-booted by taking apart the bolted together Joint; but I am not sure.

On the other hand there is a recent thread where the aftermarket imported Annular Axles have been having the Bolts that hold it together come loose.

I have not read of this bad of a problem concerning the aftermarket Homokinetic Axles.
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On the other hand there is a recent thread where the aftermarket imported Annular Axles have been having the Bolts that hold it together come loose.
Yeah, I'm thinking about some homokinetic axles, my import annulars have come unthreaded.

Never had a problem with the import manufacturer when using their shafts that didn't have threaded fasteners.
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On the 85 I have Annular. seems to me they are the way to go. when getting a new Annular axle, just unbolt the center hub bolt, remove the 6 bolts that attach the axle and the stubb. Push the axle towards the hub, drop down to clear the stub, and pull it out.

Then replacing is just the reverse of removal, don`t have to take the Differential apart. Just leave the stubb in, no spacers to worry about.

I thought this was one of the advantages of the Annular.

Now I don`t know if the Chinese Annular axles will bolt right up to the stub. they should. Just be sure to lock tight them.

There is nothing wrong with mixing them though.

both styles use shims.

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On the 85 I have Annular. seems to me they are the way to go. when getting a new Annular axle, just unbolt the center hub bolt, remove the 6 bolts that attach the axle and the stubb. Push the axle towards the hub, drop down to clear the stub, and pull it out.

Then replacing is just the reverse of removal, don`t have to take the Differential apart. Just leave the stubb in, no spacers to worry about.

I thought this was one of the advantages of the Annular.

Now I don`t know if the Chinese Annular axles will bolt right up to the stub. they should. Just be sure to lock tight them.

There is nothing wrong with mixing them though.

both styles use shims.

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I agree that the annular type are simpler to replace, just make sure there is threadlocker on those bolts or they will come loose.
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On the 85 I have Annular. seems to me they are the way to go. when getting a new Annular axle, just unbolt the center hub bolt, remove the 6 bolts that attach the axle and the stubb. Push the axle towards the hub, drop down to clear the stub, and pull it out.

Then replacing is just the reverse of removal, don`t have to take the Differential apart. Just leave the stubb in, no spacers to worry about.

I thought this was one of the advantages of the Annular.

Now I don`t know if the Chinese Annular axles will bolt right up to the stub. they should. Just be sure to lock tight them.

There is nothing wrong with mixing them though.

both styles use shims.

Charlie
A few members have had trouble with the stock Spacers on the imported Annular Axles. The imports have a thicker Radius (curve) between the flat area and the Saft itself. And the Stock Spacer will not push flusn against the flat area due being hungup at the inside diameter on the Radius.

Some have also found that the Thinnest spacer is also too thick.
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Do I have to buy a new stub axle for the side that already has one, or is the one on there going to be compatable with a new axle. I'm not sure of the brand.
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A few members have had trouble with the stock Spacers on the imported Annular Axles. The imports have a thicker Radius (curve) between the flat area and the Saft itself. And the Stock Spacer will not push flusn against the flat area due being hungup at the inside diameter on the Radius.

Some have also found that the Thinnest spacer is also too thick.
Yeah I read through a bunch of those threads.

I wondering if the old axle is unbolted at the stubb, and the old stubb is left in the Differential, then just bolt the Chinese axle to the stubb. Then the spacer that is altready with the old stubb wouldn`t have to be disturbed, or trying to find a spacer to fit. It is already in there.

Just a thought.

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