oil pump chain? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

04 Diesel · #16 03-23-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911

I do not see to much problem peening the Oil Pump Chain (a shorter Chain with a somewhat static load on it compared tot he Timing Chain) but the Timing Chain; for me no.
Physics or not using the correct tool increases the chance of idiot proofing the job.
And, with the Timing Chain you have job that is expensive in parts and if goes bad can do in the Engine.

I have the cremper for the timing chain.

leathermang · #17 03-23-2011, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911

I do not see to much problem peening the Oil Pump Chain (a shorter Chain with a somewhat static load on it compared tot he Timing Chain) but the Timing Chain; for me no.
Physics or not using the correct tool increases the chance of idiot proofing the job.
And, with the Timing Chain you have job that is expensive in parts and if goes bad can do in the Engine.

LOL, If you can get hold of the correct tool that is great. That is what they make ' correct tools ' for.

Diesel911 · #18 03-24-2011, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leathermang

LOL, If you can get hold of the correct tool that is great. That is what they make ' correct tools ' for.

There is just some things I am not bold enough to do unless I had to. I was actually speaking more of the risk verses cost factor of not using that particular special tool.

It is nice to know that it is possible to Peen the Link because it is useful information; one of the reasons I spend a lot of time educating myself reading the various Threads.

leathermang · #19 03-24-2011, 03:51 AM

Here are a couple of threads from the past where Larry and I describe it.

Crimp tool required for timing chain replacement?

300td timing chain

Diesel911 · #20 03-24-2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leathermang

Here are a couple of threads from the past where Larry and I describe it.

Crimp tool required for timing chain replacement?

300td timing chain

I already have the Timing Chain Crimper. It took me 2 years of being outbid on eBay before I managed to get one for $110+$10 shipping. The seller had listed it as a Timing Chain Splitter and no one else bid on it.

I bought the Tool and a few other Mercedes tools when I have found a good price on them; even tough I have no immediate need for them. I figured they are an investment that would save me money when I did need them and could be re-sold to recover the original cost.

There has been very few Tools that I have bought that I have regretted
buying.

leathermang · #21 03-24-2011, 12:07 PM

LOL, I am all for any excuse to buy a new tool....

but some people can not wait two years or spend over $100 for a tool to do a job two hammers and a couple of punches can do ( with proper instruction ) just perfectly.
I am convinced that anyone who really understands the physics of the materials involved, the design incorporated into our diesels, and has proper instruction on the method will have no problem doing it correctly AND trusting that they did it correctly..
Many people are visualizing the peening of rivets.... which is different from the procedure for our chains.
And all thinking about this should remember that most chains are messed up not by selfdestructing... but by PARTS IN CONTACT WITH THEM that give way.. like rails and guides... which are often neglected at the time new chains are rolled in...

So here is a good question.... Have you bought one of those bolt on tools which holds the chain against the cam sprocket FOR THIS SAME chain replacement PROCEDURE ?

If you have I would appreciate a rough drawing of the dimensions of it... as I am thinking of making one... making sure all the chain is under tension ( as per the FSM ) during the procedure is much more of a worry to me than peening..... and that tool keeps the relationship between all the important things intact by not letting the chain off the cam sprocket.

whunter · #22 03-24-2011, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leathermang

LOL, I am all for any excuse to buy a new tool....

I don't need an...........

Ooh shiny new tool.

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/image-galleries/mercedes-200

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&biw=1260&bih=859&tbs=isch:1&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g1&oq=&q=special%20tools

http://www.justanswer.com/mercedes/4fnaa-2006-sprinter-mercedes-cylinder-diesel.html

http://autodiyonline.com/mercedes-diys/mercedes-e-class-diys/mercedes-e-class-2003-2010-lower-control-arm-and-ball-joint-diy/

http://bringatrailer.com/2009/03/07/bargain-euro-utility-1952-mercedes-l319/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/tag/mclaren

leathermang · #23 03-24-2011, 01:56 PM

Roy, if that first one is yours...
you need a new (and newer) AIRPLANE.

Diesel911 · #24 03-24-2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leathermang

LOL, I am all for any excuse to buy a new tool....

but some people can not wait two years or spend over $100 for a tool to do a job two hammers and a couple of punches can do ( with proper instruction ) just perfectly.
I am convinced that anyone who really understands the physics of the materials involved, the design incorporated into our diesels, and has proper instruction on the method will have no problem doing it correctly AND trusting that they did it correctly..
Many people are visualizing the peening of rivets.... which is different from the procedure for our chains.
And all thinking about this should remember that most chains are messed up not by selfdestructing... but by PARTS IN CONTACT WITH THEM that give way.. like rails and guides... which are often neglected at the time new chains are rolled in...

So here is a good question.... Have you bought one of those bolt on tools which holds the chain against the cam sprocket FOR THIS SAME chain replacement PROCEDURE ?

If you have I would appreciate a rough drawing of the dimensions of it... as I am thinking of making one... making sure all the chain is under tension ( as per the FSM ) during the procedure is much more of a worry to me than peening..... and that tool keeps the relationship between all the important things intact by not letting the chain off the cam sprocket.

I just get up earlier to pick up the Aluminum Cans before the Homeless Folks get to them

After after a week or so of that I am ready to buy another Tool

Diesel911 · #25 03-24-2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter

I don't need an...........

Ooh shiny new tool.

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/image-galleries/mercedes-200

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&biw=1260&bih=859&tbs=isch:1&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g1&oq=&q=special%20tools

http://www.justanswer.com/mercedes/4fnaa-2006-sprinter-mercedes-cylinder-diesel.html

http://autodiyonline.com/mercedes-diys/mercedes-e-class-diys/mercedes-e-class-2003-2010-lower-control-arm-and-ball-joint-diy/

http://bringatrailer.com/2009/03/07/bargain-euro-utility-1952-mercedes-l319/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/tag/mclaren

A fellow Addict!

I figure if Women can buy an espensive Pair of Shoes and wear them only one time I can buy something that will help me for the rest of my life. Not to mention $50 or more Bueaty Parlor trips.

I was standing in the isle at the local Wal-Mart (waiting for my Wife) where they keep all of the Beauty Aids. I was the only Man there.
It suddenly occurred to me that if the Beauty Aids really worked the isle would be full of Men buying the products for the Women

Diesel911 · #26 03-24-2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04 Diesel

I have the cremper for the timing chain.

Freedom of choice!!!