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It’s depressing but it’s not compressing
Citing the internet as my credible source, I’ve read that if you are falling in an elevator and jump just as it impacts the bottom you can lessen the impact.
I feel like I have reached that point of well F*#K it can’t hurt with my $850 w115 240D. In these threads you can see I have verified camshaft timing and Fuel delivery ad nauseum. I put ½ oz oil in each cylinder and saw my compression numbers jump so I gather I am loosing compression by the rings. A leak down test pointed this way as well. The closest it came to starting was right after the oil was added, actually got going enough the starter disengaged. In my final act of won’t quit I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders today and will let them soak a week to see if perhaps I have a stuck ring or two. Then I don’t know. Could drag it to an indy and have him confirm what I already know perhaps ask the price of a rebuild although that calculation might involve a divorce attorney. There is a 616.916 on ebay for $1000 delivered. I could part it out but it’s a nice body with what looks like an expensive repaint and other recent care.
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LT1 swap.
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Pull start it get it running and hope the rings are stuck from sitting and will loosen up once it starts running.
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tried that, no go, but I will give it another shot after this soaking.
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PB blaster http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=pb+blaster&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11438758978715406376&sa=X&ei=TqbATcWdJYacgQeFxZDiBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQ8wIwAQ#
Works great for stuck rings. Had a customer with a sailboat that the engine was completely seized. PB Blaster not only got it unfroze but after 30 days of soaking it also started and ran well. He drove it from baltimore down the chesapeake to virginia safely. |
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IIRC in your last thread, you mentioned it ran for a little while then quit, then wouldn't start again. Then you tow-started it but it made a horrible noise when it finally fired up, that you thought was coming from the engine, not the drivetrain. Did you ever figure out what was causing that? If the car is being towed and the engine is rotating (fuel turned off, transmission in gear) do you hear any horrible noises?
Assuming there are no bad bearings or thrown rods, maybe it's just stuck rings as you guess that may heal with oil, patience and use. I could not imagine rebulding one of these engines...I'd be looking for another car or possibly a used engine - $1000 doesn't sound bad if that were the case.
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Alternatives
1982 benz 240d like new in & out - $950 (o.c.)
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/2340634402.html mercedes 240 D - $900 (wilmington) http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/2361671870.html 1983 MERCEDES 240 TD - $1000 (Bellflower) http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/2351625523.html 1979 MBZ 300D DIESEL - $1000 (West LA) http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/2354087902.html 1984 mercedes 240d - $800 (cherry valley,ca) http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/2341115996.html FOR SALE NICE CLASSIC - $1000 (RIVERSIDE CA) http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/2278556037.html 1981 Mercedes 240D/Ford 5.0 - $500 (near Palmdale) http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/2350406581.html 1980 Mercedes 240d - $950 (Tehachapi) http://bakersfield.craigslist.org/cto/2280674398.html 1975 Mercedes 240D for Sale (Diesel / Veggie Oil) (Scottsdale, AZ) http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2284267603.html Need to Sell!! 1977 240D mercedes - $800 (delhi) http://merced.craigslist.org/cto/2281110447.html .
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This one is interesting...notice they did not post picture of the 240 TURBO engine...
Somebody jump on that one.... http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/2351625523.html Automatic transmission,unbreakable 240 4cyl TurboDiesel engine,
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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^^^ The interior picture suggest it's a 300D turbo.
Bill, you ought to keep the car if they body and interior is in great condition. Everybody should read the fine print of a "Cheap Mercedes is an expensive Mercedes"! With that said San Diego has a good amount of PNP's and wrecking yards, You should be able to find a good 616 for $300 bucks or less during the sale days if you are willing and able. .
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Too bad you're on the wrong coast. I have a 83 240D motor with 180K that runs great (0-60 in 16 seconds).
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Thanks for all the alternative 240D suggestions, but I am led to believe I need a motor from a w115 or the oil filter canister will be in the wrong place. Is this not the case or is it easily corrected? Hell I have a 617 turbo in my 123 parts car that runs, not sure how well but I hot wired it for grins one day awhile back.
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The moderator on super turbo diesel .com named "300D50" sells relocation plates for 25 bucks. A 617 turbo would work very well mated to the 4 speed manual. .
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Can you explain why MB did not put that combination together if it worked so well ?
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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The 617.912 of the same era had a great 4 speed or 5 speed combo. It fits the non-American market much better. Plus the same cars with those combos did not have auto climate control, mb text, and other options. Of course I would only expect that question from you as a staunch purest. .
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Your guess... does not explain why that combo was not available in Europe and other places where the LOVE manual transmissions....
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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