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Old 11-16-2011, 08:16 PM
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just ran .75 L of lubromoly diesel purge from a 1L bottle and ran the return back to the bottle... knocking seemed to go away after a few revs... took it on the road and swapped back to the regular fuel system when i was down to a quarter L in the bottle. dumped the left overs in the nearly full tank that i'd already put about the same amount of slick 50 diesel kleen in.

Will see in the am how it affects the knocking.... my drip tube just arrived as well so i'll check timing next.
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just ran .75 L of lubromoly diesel purge from a 1L bottle and ran the return back to the bottle... knocking seemed to go away after a few revs... took it on the road and swapped back to the regular fuel system when i was down to a quarter L in the bottle. dumped the left overs in the nearly full tank that i'd already put about the same amount of slick 50 diesel kleen in.

Will see in the am how it affects the knocking.... my drip tube just arrived as well so i'll check timing next.

That may help for a while but its not a long term fix. I see you are in Mobile... not sure if you have been there or not but Barry's u pull sometimes has a good selection of W123 cars. Its off I-10 at Hwy 90.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:06 AM
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Oh I know barry's well... Last time I was there they had a 300 without any engine or trans, and another that had most of the block and a good interior... I stripped the seat out of the latter as it was the same maroon my 240d has... its now in my car, but I need to yank it and tweek the foam I stuck in the seat so that the outboard portion doesn't crush more than inboard and make me lean left while driving!

I don't think the second had injectors in it... and it was a turbo anyways so they pop at 135 bar instead of 115 like on my 240 right?

But my good friend said they just got another in as well... need some time to browse there again... also working on a military blazer so I get good stuff for it when there as well.

Unrelated... Is there a feedback area where folks post good and bad from trading with other members at this site?
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:31 AM
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:47 AM
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Howdy,

I'm new to this forum, though i've read some very useful posts here in the past as a guest. I bought my 240D in 2007. I've been taking care of it myself since then just using chiltons/haynes and a few threads here and there that I've googled etc.

I regularly change the pre-filter (with oil changes) and the secondary fuel filter every 6 months or so. I've adjusted the valves every six months or so too. I run Rottella synthetic motor oil.

The previous owner had the trans replaced in 2005 by a mechanic that specialized in mercedes down in Miami... I and just recently changed the trans fluid and filter (though I couldn't get the torque converter drain plug alligned with the access hole so it was only a partial drain... long story but i'll probably just do it in my driveway rather than on the base with their lift and get the plug out [I'm in the service and we have hobby shops with lifts and lots of rules]).

I run regular petro diesel. The prior owner ran a petro bio mix. But no WVO that I know of. When I first got the vehicle my prefilters would clog when the tank got low. I bio shocked a few tanks of dino diesel and reguarly changed the prefilter and eventually the secondary filter and haven't had much trouble since beyond what I'd consider normal particulate accumulation in the prefilter. (my other cars are GM 6.2 diesel trucks) I have run a tank or two treated with Slick 50 "Diesel Cleen" every 4 months or so.

Any ways I've noticed since I've owned the vehicle that when it was cold and asked for more than idle power would knock, so I got in the habit of letting it warm up... it never knocked at idle... until lately. Over the last 4 years or so I've noted that the water temp it would need to get inorder to apply more than idle power has crept up from 100, then 110, then 120 etc until now it has to be at 175 or if I put my foot into it, it will knock. Also the other day when the temp was 40 deg and I started it, it knocked until it warmed some then settled.... but I had to get the water temp up to 175 for it to drive without knocking....

I've parked the vehicle until I can get this figured out.

I'm thinking the IP timing has been slipping, but am looking for advice. I just ordered a drip test 'dripper' and am waiting for it to arrive. I'm looking for advice on fixing a knock that goes away as the engine warms.

Also I brought up the automatic trans issue as it seems the trans pulls a lot at idle in drive, and shutters in reverse... Especially if I apply the brake or stop the vehicle. Since I changed most of the fluid and filter it has improved but its not totally cured... It did seem to run better as the car warmed up after the change. I'll probably run the mix of old an new fluid a while and then do a proper drain of the Tq converter and trans with another filter change and see if it helps (perhaps varnish has built up in the trans?).

Looking forward to your insight. I really appreciate all the help I've gotten in the past from just reading posts here. I ran a search but didn't find much on knocking that went away with warming up.

Thanks!

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I agree, it sounds like injector nailing.

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Old 11-17-2011, 03:27 PM
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Thanks for the many good reads in threads. I'm slowly working my way through them.


I started the car and it knocked a little under power (no knocking at idle) until the water temp was just under 100deg... it hasn't been that good in quite a while, so the diesel purge really helped but didn't totally fix the issue. To me this indicates injectors as the issue over timing, but I still plan on doing a drip test.
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:34 PM
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just put in recently rebuilt injectors.... and did a drip test... timing seems fine, it dripped one drop a second.

it runs a bit better with the rebuilt injectors... though the first real cold morning will show the truth.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:04 PM
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With the rebuilt injectors its purring like a kitten from the moment I start it now!

Thank you for your help!

Still got the trans shifting issues... haven't had the time to drain the fluid and swap out the filter... again... and i just purchased a beat up 300D which isn't running... I'm thinking of taking its manual trans and putting it in my 240D which is in much better overall shape.

Got any advice?
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:03 PM
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You picked up a Euro 300D with a manual tranny? I bet there's folks who you could trade off the tranny for something else you want.

Glad to hear the engine is acting better. Also . . . what year/model is your MBZ again? You have the auto tranny in it? What kind of mileage you get?
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