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Old 04-11-2012, 12:49 PM
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So My car threw a alternator belt lastnite

and no-one around to save me, had to walk home to get tools and spare belt/S --I have never changed one on a 617 before and though I only needed 13 mm.
Miles of walking, I had to get back so it would not get towed ,,
I get back and realize finally how the Power steering pump is "rigged" --Stupidest design I have ever seen---Next to the way the alternator is mounted--I got the cali aircleaner on mine so I had to get the air tube out of the way to see I needed a 17mm, well by that time it was 7.30 AM So more walking to a lowes for a wrench, And still the damn thig fought me EVERY WHICH WAY IT COULD-- all the bolts loose and it wouldnT budge, Had to get some 2x2's from a construction site to slip up between the right frame rail and the alternator and managed to get a big wrench in there and pry it in, The stupidest way of mounting they could have done.

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Old 04-11-2012, 02:15 PM
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panZZer you sir need to make sure you've got a leggy blonde in nylons and high heels sitting in the passenger seat at all times. Not just any leggy blonde mind you but the one who has has a sign around her neck saying

"In case of emergency rip me tights off darling and use them as a 'get me home' belt"
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Panzzer, Just ask any lady in the vicinity if you can have her panty hose. Thats of course if you do not wear them yourself. As long as the waterpump is powered even at night the battery should hold up for awhile.

During the daytime you may get further. Just keep an eye on the temperature gauge. They are quite stretchable just take it easy.

Reminds me of the story of the guy that told his wife she seemed really unusually enthusiastic last night as her toes were even wiggling. She told him that was really not the case. He had left her pantry hose on.

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Old 04-11-2012, 02:25 PM
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Time to upgrade to the double-belted 617 pulleys!
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:17 PM
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Time to upgrade to the double-belted 617 pulleys!
its an 85-- and has got em and I didn't bother to mention --
As much of a ***** as it was there was no way I was gonna try to get them both over the alternator and fan-- I'de prolly get rid of it first.
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:03 PM
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Did it throw both belts or did you only have one on there in the first place?
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:45 PM
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Man...I cant imagine trying to deal with those belts for the first time under those conditions, when I think back to my first time, and I have N/A cars with not much in the way. Think I woulda had it towed home After getting everything properly slacked off, those belts are still a bugger to get on.
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Panzzer, Just ask any lady in the vicinity if you can have her panty hose. Thats of course if you do not wear them yourself. As long as the waterpump is powered even at night the battery should hold up for awhile.

During the daytime you may get further. Just keep an eye on the temperature gauge. They are quite stretchable just take it easy.

Reminds me of the story of the guy that told his wife she seemed really unusually enthusiastic last night as her toes were even wiggling. She told him that was really not the case. He had left her pantry hose on.
Haha! Funny storry. I for one enjoy a woman in panty hose. They're classy. And as this thread seems to mention, they're useful in a bind, to boot.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:17 PM
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Panzzer, Just ask any lady in the vicinity if you can have her panty hose. Thats of course if you do not wear them yourself. As long as the waterpump is powered even at night the battery should hold up for awhile.

During the daytime you may get further. Just keep an eye on the temperature gauge. They are quite stretchable just take it easy.
I’ve driven home 10 miles with a frozen alternator on my 300d using a shoe string to turn the water pump after I cut off the belts .


I learned this trick in desperation when I threw a water pump/alternator belt on a Volkswagen in the middle of nowhere during my cross country move in the 1990’s.

I just happened to have shoe laces in my glove compartment at time. It is now a must for my emergency kit.

These are pics back in 2007 when I had the problem.



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I’ve driven home 10 miles with a frozen alternator on my 300d using a shoe string to turn the water pump after I cut off the belts .


I learned this trick in desperation when I threw a water pump/alternator belt on a Volkswagen in the middle of nowhere during my cross country move in the 1990’s.

I just happened to have shoe laces in my glove compartment at time. It is now a must for my emergency kit.

These are pics back in 2007 when I had the problem.



My type of luck (lack of) would not allow this type of McGuiver.

more so about the double belts and the screwed design--- After managing to get scrap wood between the framerail so I could get some leverage--- as far in as the damn alternator would go--is at the point where the alternator fan is hitting the top bracket, So as far a spinning the wheel trying to help the belt on --That aint happening. Or using a flat tip screwdriver like a tire iron trying to help it on---- after 2 hrs trying --You muddle thru getting the outer one on,, NO WAY you could get an inner one on first to run doubles!
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My type of luck (lack of) would not allow this type of McGuiver.

more so about the double belts and the screwed design--- After managing to get scrap wood between the framerail so I could get some leverage--- as far in as the damn alternator would go--is at the point where the alternator fan is hitting the top bracket, So as far a spinning the wheel trying to help the belt on --That aint happening. Or using a flat tip screwdriver like a tire iron trying to help it on---- after 2 hrs trying --You muddle thru getting the outer one on,, NO WAY you could get an inner one on first to run doubles!
Wow, can I commiserate.

The '84 is identical.

I've tried to purchase some 1005mm belts to attempt to get them on without removing the fan. Not only did it not work, but the 1005's were of a different configuration and only lasted six months. The section width was less than the 1000's.

So, I go to replace the 1005's and I snap the tensioning bolt because I don't put a wrench on the forward side and the counter torque snaps the threads right off.

Finally get back to it about four months later and it takes three hours to carefully remove the fan, remove the p/s belt, remove the a/c belt, install the the two alternator belts, install the fan, install the the a/c belt, install the p/s belt.

I agree..........it's the absolute biggest PITA that I have ever seen. A mechanic would need $300. in labor to change the alternator belts on the latest models of SD.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:01 PM
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Wow, can I commiserate.

The '84 is identical.

I've tried to purchase some 1005mm belts to attempt to get them on without removing the fan. Not only did it not work, but the 1005's were of a different configuration and only lasted six months. The section width was less than the 1000's.

So, I go to replace the 1005's and I snap the tensioning bolt because I don't put a wrench on the forward side and the counter torque snaps the threads right off.

Finally get back to it about four months later and it takes three hours to carefully remove the fan, remove the p/s belt, remove the a/c belt, install the the two alternator belts, install the fan, install the the a/c belt, install the p/s belt.

I agree..........it's the absolute biggest PITA that I have ever seen. A mechanic would need $300. in labor to change the alternator belts on the latest models of SD.
Yea ,,And I can commisurate more. the spare engines at the house were another 85 d motor an 84 sd motor and another 84 d, i had to snag the belts from the 85--go thru all the bull $_het and of course --
The belts now SCREECH like a Banshee when taking off from a stop
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:32 PM
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I've never had any issues changing the belts except breaking one tensioner rod...as it was bent/rusty. Normal belt change takes me about 35mins on an SD or D....no fan removal needed. I've always used the 10x1035 or 10x1000 belts.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:54 AM
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The belts now SCREECH like a Banshee when taking off from a stop
I have the same thing..........fairly sure the tension needs to be increased a bit. I bought a gauge for that purpose..........need to check it out.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:55 AM
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Normal belt change takes me about 35mins on an SD or D....no fan removal needed. I've always used the 10x1035 or 10x1000 belts.
No surprise.

Like most of what you post, this is complete BS.

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