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joining drive shafts
I've read where its reccomended to mark the 2 halfs of a drive shaft when removing from the vehicle so that they are reinstalled in the same relative position later. If I'm using the front half from one shaft and the rear half from another, is there any special directions on how the spline fits together?
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The drivesghaft is factory balanced. So it is very important to assemble them as they came apart. Mixing a non matched front and back portion of the shafts may or may not cause an issue.
The balance of the new to each other shafts should be balanced on a machine really for best results. Not too hard to pull them again if a vibration is present. Myself I might try balance the front shaft to match the one taken off if I knew the match marking of the original frontshaft. Just duplicate it on the second short shaft and balace it the same as the old one. It would be tricky to do at home though. |
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When I pulled the driveshaft halves apart on my 240 in 2006 I didn't mark the halves and put it back together without knowing the original orientation. That was 70k miles and 6 years ago, I've never noticed any vibrations. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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The FSM shows that in about 1982 MB got their act together and put alignment marks on the two D shafts - and also say that the alignment marks were not paid attention to in assembly - so please correctly align them in service.
The marks are a triangle on one shaft and a square on the other.
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If you take then apart and then refit them incorrectly the special relationship is broken => you could experience prop shaft vibration problems.
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In the name of expediency, I have no problem blindly following the FSM advice, that's what I'd do, and what I'd recommend to anyone. But, as a general principle, I try to undertake projects in a mindful and purposeful way. While I understand that it is possible under limited circumstances, to balance shafts in such way. I can't see why anyone would ever think it is a good idea. Most especially an MB engineer. Can you explain why? Are you aware of any consequences for not doing so? In typing this, I've just realized that like Biodiesel300TD, I have also used mismatched shafts in my TD, and noticed no problem.
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Got any source you can share about neutral balance. I can only find stuff that relates to high RPM racing engines, which doesn't apply to driveshafts.
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Phasing U Joints
Here's a bit of an explanation:
Driveshafts and U-Joints - Tom Sotomayor Any two piece shaft should be marked before being taken out so that the two halves go back together in the same relationship, otherwise vibration can be a problem. I just grab a crayon/marker and run a line across the bottom of the shafts where the middle U-joint or splined joint is. See figure 2 in this page: http://jeepgarage.free.fr/OWN/drive%20shaft%20alignment.pdf
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After a certain year they are marked by bumps on the Casting.
In another thread I speculated that he Prongs on the Yoke had a specife oreintationto the prongs of the Yoke on the opposiet end of the Shaft. I think that means if there is no marks on the 2 shaft sections there is 3 positions that would work. I don't have a good pic if the end with the Single Mark on it.
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Thanks smiffy, the Tom Sotomayor link cleared it all up for me.
It's not a shaft imbalance problem, it is a limitation of U joints. There's a hint in the name of the u-joint's cousin, the Constant Velocity Joint.
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Does this mean that you believe No one balances Drive Shafts; or that they do nut use the term Neutral Balance where you looked?
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