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Old 01-14-2013, 11:29 AM
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The pointer plate on the OM606 is not like the old engines, its a moveable part, if someone took off the waterpump and removed it without marking its placement relative to the crank pulley it will never show correct engine timing.

I doubt the engine will actually run with 20 degrees off timing, the pistons will collide with the valves.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:58 PM
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The water pump was replaced by the previous owner. I don't know how adjustable the timing pointer is and would only expect it to go a few degrees in either direction. After work today I'm going to check the IP timing and see if it shows the same offset the cam timing does.
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The same exact thing happened to my 74 240D.
The problem. The key in the governor shaft had plowed the key-way almost half way around the shaft. I remover the shaft and had a machine shop cut a new key-way 180deg from the original. Never could find out what had placed such a tremendous force on the shaft. The difference in timing came on slowly over a few weeks,not all at once. After pulling the rad the job was fairly easy.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:52 PM
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The pointer plate on the OM606 is not like the old engines, its a moveable part, if someone took off the waterpump and removed it without marking its placement relative to the crank pulley it will never show correct engine timing.

I doubt the engine will actually run with 20 degrees off timing, the pistons will collide with the valves.
I measured the injection pump timing and it is off by the same 20 degrees. Since the timing chain and guide rails show no signs of malfunction and it didn't self destruct while I was driving I am going to guess that the goober that replaced the water pump did not install the pointer correctly. So I'm going to button it all back up and run lift pump pressure and compression tests to see what I can see.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:56 PM
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I have made the mistake of looking at cam timing based on the wrong part of the pointer near the balancer. Are you using the blade part as your point of reference?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:00 PM
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I have made the mistake of looking at cam timing based on the wrong part of the pointer near the balancer. Are you using the blade part as your point of reference?
Yes I am, the part that you cn hardly see because the belt tensioner is in the way.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:53 PM
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Why the sudden poor running of the engine?
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That is what I'm sitting here wondering.

How many miles are on the car?
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A distant memory for me is that the timing spec for the engine is something like 14 deg ATDC. +5 or so deg may just be chain stretch.
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A distant memory for me is that the timing spec for the engine is something like 14 deg ATDC. +5 or so deg may just be chain stretch.
That is the injection timing - the cam timing is 0 degrees.
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In the course of earlier troubleshooting I ran the car from a jug of fuel to bypass the tank, the fuel in it, the tank screen, and the supply lines. Then ran some diesel purge through it and that didn't help. Over the weekend I rigged up a test pipe in order to perform the lift pump volume and pressure tests and the pump is working well above specifications. At this point I am confident there is no supply side fuel problem and am very happy that I ran the tests instead of ordering a lift pump and relief valve that I didn't need.

I have the splined delivery valve socket on order and when that gets here I'll check, clean, and replace the seals on those.

Also on the agenda is seeing if I can make the injector adapter from my compression tester fit by pulling the valve cover and removing the injector and the well around it.

In the meantime my girlfriend has been nice enough to let me borrow her BMW M Roadster. Not a very practical car but a blast to drive. My daughter has striclty prohibited me from pressing the 'fun button' a.k.a. the button that disables the automatic skid control.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:32 PM
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Got any pictures?
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:58 PM
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Got any pictures?
Not handy, it's 2000 in Imola red. The one in this ad M Roadster Buyers Guide - Sale Listings - 2001 BMW M Roadster - Imola Red 2 over Imola Red & Black Nappa looks just like it.
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In the course of earlier troubleshooting I ran the car from a jug of fuel to bypass the tank, the fuel in it, the tank screen, and the supply lines. Then ran some diesel purge through it and that didn't help. Over the weekend I rigged up a test pipe in order to perform the lift pump volume and pressure tests and the pump is working well above specifications. At this point I am confident there is no supply side fuel problem and am very happy that I ran the tests instead of ordering a lift pump and relief valve that I didn't need.

I have the splined delivery valve socket on order and when that gets here I'll check, clean, and replace the seals on those.

Also on the agenda is seeing if I can make the injector adapter from my compression tester fit by pulling the valve cover and removing the injector and the well around it.

In the meantime my girlfriend has been nice enough to let me borrow her BMW M Roadster. Not a very practical car but a blast to drive. My daughter has striclty prohibited me from pressing the 'fun button' a.k.a. the button that disables the automatic skid control.

When the engine is running bad - ensure that you have good flow of exhaust from the tail pipe - the soot trap/oxidiser maybe clogged.
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