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Soot over 2% should be a concern. Roy stated earlier, at 9,000 miles, his worst soot load is at 1.5%. Depending on the TBN, this oil still has the potential to go further. But in the end, Roy has his change interval spot on where I think it should be without doing any UOA. Between 8,000-10,000 miles .
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Isn't science fun! We have some research papers indicating that increased soot loading increases wear rates in diesel oils, and we have other research papers indicating that wear rates decrease the older the oil is (in gassers). So in review... don't change your oil frequently, and don't change your oil infrequently.
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And the reason has nothing to do with gunk, which was my point to begin with.
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I wonder if the apparent reduction in wear material accumulation over time is not, in fact, a reflection of the oil's inability to maintain said material in suspension.
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Motor oil is produced with an additive package that bonds to the moving parts through the high pressure contact of the said parts. These additives account for like 3% of the volume of engine oil, but produce 90% of the engine's oil protection. With only 3% of volume, these additives need to be continuosly circulated to start bonding to the engine. Here is an article on bob's the oil guys website about how one additive works, which is similar to the other types. Moly Basics - Bob is the Oil Guy When you change oil often, you introduce an initial cleansing detergent. This detergent attacks and cleans out all contaminants from the previous fill. Though it does a great job of cleaning, the drawback is it also cleans off the existing additive bond and prevents the new additives from forming their bond to the moving parts until the detergent cycle is used up during the first 1000 or 2000 miles. This is why when doing an oil analysis, several UOA's has been posted in various forums show the engine oil's wear rate is actually higher at 3,000 miles, then it is at 7,500 mile and at 10,000 miles. By keeping the engine oil in there longer, the detergent cycle is reduce and the additives get a chance to bond longer which leads to less wear on the engine plus with the added benefit of saving a lot of resources and money. .
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Your point of residual metals of the previous fill might be valid. I do believe the cleansing refers mostly to removal of organic contaminants like acid, soot, water, etc. than the non-organic contaminants like wear metals. But I would think the lab would be able to trend and identify when the oil becomes saturated and loses it's ability to hold the wear metals. Also, you should be able to tell with a decrease in count of the additives magnesium and calcium that the oil no longer has the ability to remove, hold and suspend the contaminants which would lead to residuals left behind during an oil change.
I would also have to consider the SAE studies that I pointed to earlier to holding a lot if weight in this subject. It is one thing to look at an oil sample, but to get a better point of view, look at the actual parts in questioned for actual wear rates. .
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FWIW our fleet vehicles regularly see 300k plus miles on original engines, both diesel and gas, with 3k mile oil changes. It's the bodies, not the engines, that usually take them out of service. If the 3k mile oil drain intervals were detrimental I'd expect to see differences between the bulk of the fleet and our three '04 Sprinters which have drain intervals ranging from 7k to 10k miles depending on oil used. |
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I know many antique/classic vehicle owners still follow the three month calendar oil service = the engine may run 5-15 hours on each oil change, with a much needed rebuild every 10-15 years. It is debatable whether the lack of running or the excessive oil change do more to cause the required rebuild. .
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