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Mark DiSilvestro 02-06-2013 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC-Diesel (Post 3095558)
You know it's worth it!

1980 Mercedes 240 D For Sale

Compared to that horrid Finnie-Olds Frankenbenz,
it is.
I notice there's no '80 in your collection.
Go for it!

Happy Motoring, Mark

NC-Diesel 02-06-2013 01:03 PM

VS how do I do that?

Delibes 02-06-2013 01:08 PM

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1974 Mercedes Benz 450 slc

They see me turdin', they hatin'! Wouldn't you kill for that interior? Someone please tell me that Mercedes never offered that color...

1974 Mercedes Benz 450 slc, Classic sports car. running fast and strong, Smog exempted, clean body inside and outside, Registered until march 2013. Any interested just call me @ (510)415-2769

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...05fc791e53.jpg

vstech 02-06-2013 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC-Diesel (Post 3095715)
VS how do I do that?


instructions

Mark DiSilvestro 02-06-2013 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delibes (Post 3095721)
1974 Mercedes Benz 450 slc

They see me turdin', they hatin'! Wouldn't you kill for that interior? Someone please tell me that Mercedes never offered that color...

1974 Mercedes Benz 450 slc, Classic sports car. running fast and strong, Smog exempted, clean body inside and outside, Registered until march 2013. Any interested just call me @ (510)415-2769

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...05fc791e53.jpg

WOW! I need sunglasses to look at that upholstery.
Many years ago I saw a Fintail 190 in a salvage-yard that had the whole interior, even the headliner, redone that color.

Happy Motoring, Mark

eatont9999 02-07-2013 07:03 PM

40 MPG, FREE GAS -- tax refund car! - $3200 (denton/lewisville. )
 
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I have a 1985 Diesel Mercedes for sale. The car was professionally engineered by Baylor engineering to run on Pure Used Cooking Oil. NOT biodiesel (cheap), but Straight Grease (FREE). It uses a single tank system so you can Still use DIESEL!! I have saved approx. 4800 dollars in fuel over the year using this car. I simply obtain the grease from restaurants, filter it and put it in the car. GREAT fuel economy and ZERO emissions!! It is Registered, inspected, I drive it several times every week. Diesel engines last much MUCH longer than gas engines, many go for over 400,000 miles, this one is only about 192! So it will last A LONG time! Exterior isnt show quality,and the interior is great, but good for 25 years old. RUNS, DRIVES, SAVES MONEY AND SAVES THE EARTH. CLEAN TITLE IN HAND. CASH ONLY. call or text me for specs on the car ANYTIME


http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/3544116271.html

eatont9999 02-07-2013 07:04 PM

I have seen this car (above) for sale since the summer. The price started around $1500, which is reasonable, then it doubled, tripled and now it is back to double.

eatont9999 02-07-2013 07:16 PM

81 Benz - $4000 (Haltom )
 
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Diesel 240 d excellent condition high fuel miles low original miles. Runs great and looks great with Mercedes chrome 20" wheels

The Grinch 02-08-2013 11:18 PM

I like the 4 speed but 45 mpg... come on. He had it over 4k before claiming 50mpg.

83 mercedes 240d DIESEL 45mpg

satyr 02-08-2013 11:19 PM

Not a benz, but had to include it..
 
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Custom Cutless - $7500

Custom 87 cutless fully loaded comes with the rims and the music its a nice car but my wife says we gotta buy a less pimped out car so I gotta let it go............. you can all so call 931-538-XXXX and ask for Vicki

eatont9999 02-08-2013 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satyr (Post 3097255)
Custom Cutless - $7500

Custom 87 cutless fully loaded comes with the rims and the music its a nice car but my wife says we gotta buy a less pimped out car so I gotta let it go............. you can all so call 931-538-XXXX and ask for Vicki

I swear, some people have a warped sense of style. When I see a car like that, I immediately think about how stupid it looks. Yeah, his wife must have some class. Class enough to dump a fool that would do that to a car.

satyr 02-08-2013 11:29 PM

Why?
 
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1990 mercedes 420 sel. Second owner. Beautiful car and it runs perfect.Custom sound system,bagged all the way around with four switches,must sell or trade for truck. Call for more details 760-XXX-XXXX,i will consider a trade for a 4x4 suburban,full size crew cab truck,or any other type of full size 4x4 s.u.v. ,no texts messages please,phone calls only thank you.

Delibes 02-09-2013 11:01 AM

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Today, I win the internet.

Mercedes limousine

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...3abd561724.jpg

"Mercedes limo for sale or trade, great project car. One of a kind. call or text
909-200-7006 only $3000"

ROLLGUY 02-09-2013 11:50 AM

just voted
 
I just voted on the poll, and chose the first choice (to keep the thread). However, I would not go as far as to say it is WONDERFUL. It is very entertaining, but NOT WONDERFUL:D

Fattyman 02-09-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delibes (Post 3097379)
Today, I win the internet.

Mercedes limousine

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...3abd561724.jpg

"Mercedes limo for sale or trade, great project car. One of a kind. call or text
909-200-7006 only $3000"

That be a swager wagon fer sure. Oh yeah :cool:

pgringo 02-09-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satyr (Post 3097262)
1990 mercedes 420 sel. Second owner. Beautiful car and it runs perfect.Custom sound system,bagged all the way around with four switches,must sell or trade for truck. Call for more details 760-XXX-XXXX,i will consider a trade for a 4x4 suburban,full size crew cab truck,or any other type of full size 4x4 s.u.v. ,no texts messages please,phone calls only thank you.

i'd be all over that if it was a diesel. srsly. except wheels.

why? because long&low is the way to go.

Mölyapina 02-09-2013 12:24 PM

I like the thread, but could we change the subject to something a bit more neutral? These flow into the e-mail that my whole family uses, and I already unsubscribed from the thread because I don't that word flowing into the family inbox.

How about something like "Shooting for Pluto: Bad vehicles and even more atrocious prices on Craigslist"?

eatont9999 02-09-2013 12:54 PM

Wow, that limo is crazy. Too bad it doesn't have a full cab on top.

Jooseppi, Gmail accounts are free. You should get one. I can't believe you don't have your own E-mail address.

Delibes 02-09-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jooseppi Luna (Post 3097419)
I like the thread, but could we change the subject to something a bit more neutral? These flow into the e-mail that my whole family uses, and I already unsubscribed from the thread because I don't that word flowing into the family inbox.

How about something like "Shooting for Pluto: Bad vehicles and even more atrocious prices on Craigslist"?

Would you be more comfortable with the word "CACA"?

ngarover 02-09-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delibes (Post 3097446)
Would you be more comfortable with the word "CACA"?

or poopoopidoo? :D

Delibes 02-09-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngarover (Post 3097455)
or poopoopidoo? :D

Talking of which, here's the Poopoopidoo Museum in France ;) :D

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Mölyapina 02-09-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eatont9999 (Post 3097435)
Jooseppi, Gmail accounts are free. You should get one. I can't believe you don't have your own E-mail address.

My parents don't want me to get one -- they feel that the one we have is "safer". Please don't give me any arguments to the contrary -- I know them, and have already tried to deploy them with no luck. I don't want to cause a rift, so I jut let the idea die.

davidlee 02-10-2013 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 3094504)
Mercedes Turbo Diesel - low miles - Great Commuter - Reliable Tank! - $1499 (santa rosa)

Around 135K miles on a dependable 85 Mercedes 300D turbo. In Mercedes diesel worlds that is hardly broken in - they don't start running good until around 200K miles! Was used as a daily commute to work car with no problems. Automatic Transmission shifts good and smooth for a diesel. Needs a good wash and wax job. Looks like the one in the photo but mine is Maroon with black interior. Tires are good. This car will last longer than you will! 7O7-2O6-2OO8. Not perfect but a great buy at this price. I've owned Mercedes diesels for almost 40 years now and you can't beat them for reliability and low low cost maintenance










http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...eec3241bdc.jpg

From what hes saying, this one doesn't even run good yet, LOL, and wont start running good until its had an other 65K miles put on it.

davidlee 02-10-2013 06:20 AM

Jooseppi's gotta be the first to list his vacuum collection, LOL, No ill will intented.:)

Delibes 02-10-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidlee (Post 3097681)
Jooseppi's gotta be the first to list his vacuum collection, LOL, No ill will intented.:)

I think it's actually pretty cool! I would LOVE to have an old Miele. My family used an ancient Electrolux and there was no HUMAN way of killing that thing.

Anyway, please keep on bringing your turds to the table...

w123love 02-10-2013 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delibes (Post 3097379)
Today, I win the internet.

Mercedes limousine

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...3abd561724.jpg

"Mercedes limo for sale or trade, great project car. One of a kind. call or text
909-200-7006 only $3000"

Yes, yes you did win the internet. That is golden.

tbomachines 02-10-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delibes (Post 3097379)
Today, I win the internet.

Mercedes limousine

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...3abd561724.jpg

"Mercedes limo for sale or trade, great project car. One of a kind. call or text
909-200-7006 only $3000"

Oh. My. God.

Mölyapina 02-10-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidlee (Post 3097681)
Jooseppi's gotta be the first to list his vacuum collection, LOL, No ill will intented.:)

Oh, that's fine. I would list my four (soon to be five) sewing machines and three typewriters, but there isn't enough room :rolleyes:

layback40 02-10-2013 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vstech (Post 3094873)
I love that he'll take Mastercard/visa for purchasing a car...

Dont laugh !!! I purchased my first road registered car with a credit card at the age of 16 !! $499 ~ I had a $500 limit on the card !

Delibes 02-13-2013 12:47 AM

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Not a Mercedes, but cars like this make baby Jesus cry...

74' MGB GT

"1974 MGB GT $2500 OBO. Runs great, Interior and body in good shape. Serious inquiries please email me. Thanks"

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...d4eca41cda.jpg

newtodiesel 02-13-2013 05:58 AM

That looks like a 70's datsun 240 front end???
MGB REALLY????

dieselmania 02-13-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satyr (Post 3097255)
Custom Cutless - $7500

Custom 87 cutless fully loaded comes with the rims and the music its a nice car but my wife says we gotta buy a less pimped out car so I gotta let it go............. you can all so call 931-538-XXXX and ask for Vicki

Does "Cutless" mean it is a lesser version of the Cutlass? Or maybe is didn't make the "cut"?:rolleyes:

dubadxx 02-13-2013 02:35 PM

yeah, it really is an MGB-GT, I've had a couple. Sad thing is, '74 was the last year for the GT and few were imported. Get rid of those hideous wheels and tires, hopefully the interior isn't as ghetto as the rest, and if it still has the dual SU carbs and no rust, it "might" be worth $2k. Terrible body kit and sunroof, too. $1k.

Mark DiSilvestro 02-13-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubadxx (Post 3099350)
yeah, it really is an MGB-GT, I've had a couple. Sad thing is, '74 was the last year for the GT and few were imported. Get rid of those hideous wheels and tires, hopefully the interior isn't as ghetto as the rest, and if it still has the dual SU carbs and no rust, it "might" be worth $2k. Terrible body kit and sunroof, too. $1k.

1974 had all the EPA-mandated emissions bandaids - so probably a single Stromberg carb. The wheels would be easy enough to change. At least it doesn't have the DOT-mandated black-rubber nose-job that spoiled the later MGBs, and I could live with the 'moonroof'. But Uggh! That trashy body-kit absolutely ruins it for me.

Happy Motoring, Mark

Silber Adler 02-13-2013 10:39 PM

Never had an MG but had a Sprite mk3 and a 3000Mk3. The sprite was a cousin of the Midget and the MGC had a 3000 engine in it. They were my first and third cars.

To stay on topic... neither were turds.

dubadxx 02-14-2013 09:44 AM

I had a '74 1/2, it had the rubber bumpers and twin SUs, which I replaced with a single downdraft Weber.

w123love 02-15-2013 01:08 PM

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Mercedes Turbo Diesel 1984 300D Newer Paint

Bagged W123

Silber Adler 02-15-2013 01:39 PM

Surly that car isn't drivable that low.
Quote:

Originally Posted by w123love (Post 3100379)


Simpler=Better 02-15-2013 01:49 PM

I'll put $200 in on the limo. If we all chip in we can take turns driving it


Quote:

Originally Posted by Silber Adler (Post 3100385)
Surly that car isn't drivable that low.

As I understand it you air up to normal for rough terrain, and lower down for cool looks/ improved aerodynamics on the highway. When she's parked you drop it as low as it can go to look cool.

pgringo 02-15-2013 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simpler=Better (Post 3100394)



When she's parked you drop it as low as it can go to look cool.

or for tow prevention. ;)

i don't know why folks are so anti air bags. they're way more common than many may realize. they're used for heavy load suspension assist on trucks and suv's, and in a good amount of big sedans. they provide for a super smooth ride.

i'd love to have a nice 300sd on bags. big, low, & smooth.

NC-Diesel 02-15-2013 11:27 PM

1980 Mercedes 240D - $3400 (Louisville)

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105 E. Hill (Hill Bend)

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Restored vehicle. New paint, new tires, sunroof, A/C (retro-fitted to R-134 with new compressor and drier), and 4 speed automatic. Classic "123" body style. Completely rebuilt diesel engine, vacuum pump and fuel system (worth $5,000 alone) , excellent interior, power steering and brakes, many other new parts. Factory block heater installed, although I've never had to use it. This car still has all of it's original trim, moldings, light fixtures and owner's manual.
Even the O.E.M. first-aid kit has never been used. Understand, though, that this is a base model 4-door. No power seats or power windows. Even the sunroof is manually operated. Garage kept for most of it's life. Price is far less than amount invested. 502-635-2707 weekdays 9-5. Auto Research Inc., or 502-744-3780 anytime.

Having met with innumerable uninformed shoppers over the past months, I feel it necessary to state in advance a response to what many have called "reasonable questions and concerns".

First and foremost, NO, you did NOT find a "comparable car" on CL or any other medium for less. These cars
typically run for 300 to 500 thousand miles before requiring engine overhaul. Fuel distributors and injection
nozzles may last 250,000 miles without service. If that vehicle has ever been run dry on fuel (good luck
getting the truth on that issue), then the entire injection system may very well have been severely damaged.
If you've found one for less, it's probably because it is nearing the end of it's usable life. A similar model
with 280,000 miles is by NO means a comparable car.

Second, Yes, the oil is black. It's supposed to be. It's a Diesel.

Third, ANY Benz of this era can be expected to have collapsed jack ports and a rotted out floor pan. This
car has neither. There is minimal degradation of the body and chassis. I've used the factory jack on all
four ports and the car raises nicely.

Fourth, I stated that it was restored. I did not say it was a "concourse" restoration. It's a very attractive daily driver.
If your looking for a concourse restoration, then you'll need to spend $15,000 or more.

Fifth, I have no problem with a potential buyer bringing along an adviser who might be more familiar with these
cars than you are. Please don't jump to the conclusion he or she is more familiar with these cars than I am.

Sixth, It's a 1980 240D. It doesn't do the quarter mile in 7 seconds. These cars are somewhat sluggish
and lazy on take-off. They're designed for highway economy. It's NOT a getaway car. If you're looking
for sports-car performance, this is NOT the car for you.

Finally, I've had a number of people come by, parsing the car to pieces in hopes of finding some insignificant flaw
to justify my reducing the price by 2 or 3 thousand dollars. Get real. It's a 33 year old car.
What you're buying here is a $5,000+ engine and fuel system. At no extra charge, I'm throwing in an
attractive, air-conditioned drive-home package which was built by Mercedes-Benz in 1980. It has nominal
rust and decay, none visible, and will probably last as such for years to come while delivering 25+ MPG,
and actually starting reliably every morning. All for about .60 cents on the dollar. I've got months of work,
years of storage and decades of experience invested. Call me crazy, but I'm not going to give that away. 105 E. Hill (Hill Bend) (google map) (yahoo map)

TylerH860 02-16-2013 12:49 AM

Definition of crotchety.

Silber Adler 02-16-2013 12:53 AM

Hi Gringo
No anti airbag sentiment at all. Well I take that back. I have owned two Lincolns both suffered from leaking air bags. In 40 years of driving I have never had a steel spring break yet.

whunter 02-16-2013 01:45 AM

Hmm
 
A few in my local area for comments..

w115 1975 mercedes 240d diesel

1993 Mercedes Benz 300SD

1977 Mercedes 300D

1978 Mercedes 240D


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Mark DiSilvestro 02-16-2013 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter (Post 3100787)

Regarding the first 240D, at least the pair of rusty ones I got for $600 or less, started easy and ran OK.
The last one isn't too outrageous, IF the mileage is accurate. But it's an automatic. Dealers think every car is worth more with an automatic!

Happy Motoring, Mark

cooljjay 02-16-2013 10:58 PM

EBay turd for yeah....granted it has a some what cheap opening bid but.....

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNj...BOLw~~60_3.JPg

Okay, I'm going to be as painfully honest as possible, in regards to both the GOOD and BAD with this vehicle. It's a vehicle that has served me well during the time that I have owned it, but it IS an old car, with many quirks, and I don't want someone feeling they've been "surprised" by anything about this car.

Generally, this car has been my "daily driver" for a year and a half. I've driven it back and forth from St. Augustine to Jacksonville (40+ miles), 5 days a week, and to and from Tampa and Ocala on multiple occasions as well. This car is extremely dependable, and if that is what you are looking for, for a price like this, then it can't be beat. If you've ever owned a Mercedes Diesel, then you will be familiar with their dependability...as well as their quirks.

THE GOOD:

* This car is the most dependable "starter" I've ever experienced in an old car. It starts EVERY TIME, with no need to press down the gas pedal or anything. Old cars like this, especially old diesels, often require a lot of "pedal-pumping" to get started. (This is my 4th Mercedes Diesel.) Not this one. You can reach in from the window, crank it up, and you're good.

* It has 4 new tires. They have all been replaced over the last 12 months.

* The "Standard" Mercedes Diesel good points: Very smooth ride; Very efficient (24-30mpg) for a big car like this; etc.

* New CD/MP3 player with USB port and auxiliary jack.

* New fuel filters, including the one that is inside the fuel tank.

* New key/tumbler/thingie. (Old one was worn out and wouldn't turn.)

THE BAD:

* There's a vacuum lock issue, but it's easily worked around. The car will not shut off when you turn the key off...UNLESS the driver's side door is locked! (It sounds strange, but it's due to a quirk in the vacuum system.)

* It makes a lot of smoke, but I'm fairly certain it's just from being an old diesel.

* The engine shakes a lot. It kept shaking the air filter off, so I bungee-corded it, so it won't move. (Hey, I did that over a year, and about 20k miles ago, and it seems to have worked fine! Don't judge me! LOL.)

* The "Standard" Mercedes Diesel bad points: VERY slow acceleration; Loud; Smoky; The 1st-to-2nd gear "clunk" common in Mercedes Diesels; The A/C probably hasn't worked in over a decade; etc.

* It has a peculiar problem where it will get stuck in gear and refuse to upshift. When this happens, you have to turn the car off, then turn it on again, and it will shift fine. I haven't felt like sinking the money into having someone figure out why it does this, and I've gotten pretty good at doing this "on the fly." (You shift to Neutral, turn it off, turn it on, then put it back in Drive...)

* Little Things: Rear passenger window won't go down; Glove box won't open without "work"; You have to hold hood release while pulling on front release simultaneously to open hood;

THE UGLY:

* There are a lot of body issues. When I bought it, the entire driver's side was practically rusted away, due to being a car from Chicago that had been sitting on the street during many snowfalls. (The snow plows would push the salty snow up against the driver's side...which is why it's only really on that side.) I attempted to fix it with Bondo, but never had the time to finish the job...so it's not exactly "pretty". (See pictures.) * The interior is dirty and beaten up. It wasn't in good shape when I got it, and my three little girls have added to the desolation. (Again, see pictures.)

CONCLUSION:

Essentially, it's a very dependable, if slow, vehicle for daily driving, or for parts/etc., if that's your aim. It will probably drive to Alaska if that's where you need to take it. If I've left anything out, I'll edit the listing, and if you have any questions, I'll answer them. Thanks!


Mercedes-Benz : 300-Series 300D in Mercedes-Benz | eBay Motors

Delibes 02-16-2013 11:28 PM

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Oh my Lord... I do not know where to start on this one...

Modified 1987 Mercedes Benz 300TD Wagon

"This "murdered out" (flat black custom paint with smoked lights) and fully tricked out 1987 Mercedes 300 TD Wagon with a newly rebuilt engine w/120,000 miles is the ultimate vintage wagon. In other words, this ride turns heads. The car can run as a "frybrid" on 75/25 Waste Veg Oil to diesel (55 gal "service station" included) or just as a very high mpg diesel.

The interior and exterior are spotless, and the Alpine system is Bluetooth connected and iPhone charge/connected. There is a very roomy back section with jump seats which fold down for pure storage. As you can see below, virtually everthing on the car has been rebuilt or replaced and is brand-spanking new. I'm also including towers and a heavy duty Thule cargo basket, and a $1300 Greasecar dual tank conversion kit should you decide to convert to full WVO. This car has over $18,000 invested in it, as well as a lot of love and hard work. Asking only$ 9900!! Call 614-284-3715 with any inquiries.

Features:
- Alpine sound system with Bluetooth connectivity
- Sunroof
- Power windows/locks
- Flat black paint job
- Tinted windows and darkened tail lights
- Replaced engine with lower milage engine (120,000 miles)
- Rebuilt injection pump
- New front struts and shocks
- Rear hydraulic accumulators replaced
- New radiator
- New tires, breaks and battery"

- - - - - -

I am not sure if it the price, the ugly blackout or the WVO conversion that makes me want to puke...

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...303a221c9d.jpg

Partscarver 02-17-2013 12:12 AM

Spokane lowrider
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w123love (Post 3100379)

The first time this was for sale (August) the picture was not clear it was a lowrider
i was shocked when i got there but thought well lets hear it run
bad injectors (shaking and nailing at idle) air cleaner mount was broken
and the j tube to the turbo was missing and had apparently been gone for a while so not worth even finding a suspension to replace.

but the paint was nice....

w123love 02-17-2013 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Partscarver (Post 3101298)
The first time this was for sale (August) the picture was not clear it was a lowrider
i was shocked when i got there but thought well lets hear it run
bad injectors (shaking and nailing at idle) air cleaner mount was broken
and the j tube to the turbo was missing and had apparently been gone for a while so not worth even finding a suspension to replace.

but the paint was nice....

Well with all that aside...did you see it go up and down?? :D

Partscarver 02-17-2013 02:51 AM

No it was at his grandfathers house, all the Granddad knew was how to start it
and to explain that the install of the air bags was incorrect on the pass rear and that it was a leaker. needless to say it was an experience.


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