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Old 03-30-2013, 09:01 AM
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Flexible Weather/Waterproof expanding cavity filler?

Ok so this might sound like off topic but its relevant!

So on my dad's 300SD I've got some water leaks coming from the battery compartment area. Ive not looked into it but the water is clearly coming down from that area, going into the passenger cabin due to some poorly sealed welds on metal I installed..tricking down the frame horn thing and out a small hole.

I need to fix this and I was thinking. I'll take the battery out and use some brushable seam sealer. Then I was thinking hmm maybe I'll get some of that fiberglass repair stuff and just form it over the entire area..

Then I was thinking of that one thread about polyurethane filling motor mount to give them extra support and thought well why dont we just do that? Pour some kind of expanding liquid down there. Let it expand, seal up the holes and keep water from coming in/out?

Only problem is I don't know of such a thing. It would need to be flexible after expanded and water/weather proof!

Anyway, what do you guys think? Think its a decent idea? Bad? Does such a compound exist?

Seems like something I'd expect to see in the marine world...

Hm?
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:13 AM
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DAP Dynaflex 230 ( in the caulking gun tube )

This is a household sealer that works well in the automotive environment even though they say not for auto use. It is a elastomer, a sort of rubbery seal when it drys. Tons better than silicone and you can paint over it.

It can be gotten in white, black , aluminum , bronze and clear ( clear goes on milky then drys clear. )
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I have used 'truck bed liner' in a spray can for this type work. It is flexible, water proof, and easy to use. Just think of what a truck bed goes through and this stuff holds up very good in these conditions.

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Old 03-30-2013, 10:01 AM
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Then I was thinking of that one thread about polyurethane filling motor mount to give them extra support and thought well why dont we just do that? Pour some kind of expanding liquid down there. Let it expand, seal up the holes and keep water from coming in/out?

Only problem is I don't know of such a thing. It would need to be flexible after expanded and water/weather proof!

Anyway, what do you guys think? Think its a decent idea? Bad? Does such a compound exist?

Seems like something I'd expect to see in the marine world...

Hm?
Urethane Foam , Expanding Marine Polyurethane Foam
I have used foam almost same as the one in your link. But I used it for insulating cavities behind icebox in my boat. It is easy enough to use, but you do need to have an opening at top to pour mixed foam into. It expands a lot so you have to mix small portions and keep adding until it fills the cavity.

The problem I have, is how to rust treat the inside of my recently welded rocker panels. I can probably spray in rust treatment, but that will need to be re-done at intervals unless I can find cavity wax or similar. But then how to be sure all bare metal gets coated.

It did occur to me that the rocker panels could be filled with foam. But on the 300D, there are two drains which would indicate that some water drains into the rockers?

Problem with the foam could be when you again need to do weld repairs!
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:07 AM
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Problem with the foam could be when you again need to do weld repairs!
I've used building foam about the house - I'd never dream of using it on a car though! But right next to it on the shelf in the supermarket where I buy the stuff there's the anti-body; foam eater...

I guess it could be used.

Be careful with that expanding foam though - some of that stuff will push a very large window frame out of position as it expands. Here they sell two types; construction and non construction.

Alternative to foam that might look a little better - epoxy putty
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:42 PM
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I went with the DAP Dynaflex 230 and a fiberglass resin repair kit.

I found the source of my problem. The area under the battery, near the sway bar had some holes in it still that were not sealed up by metal nor were they sealed up by and of the coatings I used so I've cleaned off the area as best I can..the fiberglass stuff will do its best to seal up the hole, then i'll cover it with the 230 stuff. That should prevent the water from leaking down that body tube and into the cabin. I had another patch in the cabin that was just pop-riveted into place, water was coming from that due to the hole up stream.

That pop-riveted piece has been cleaned off, as best I can, and will be also covered with the 230 stuff soon as I can find my caulking gun. There was a tiny hole as a result of the water flow/rusting and my wirewheeling..that I used to apply a liberal spray of this internal frame coating I have. There is a small hole at the bottom of the body tube as I could see the excess coating drip out of it..

That hole is probably OK, in the event that water does get in the tube, it can just flow out that hole.

So hopefully I'll be able to squeeze another 3-5 years out of this poor car. The rear subframe, while still solid as ever has a nice amount of rust scale on it. What I'd love to do is drop it completely and give it the same treatment that I did the replacement control arm..but I just dont have time to do that.

Even if I did that I would still have to address the rocker rust. I wish I had a lift. I would just drop the subframe, yank the engine and go at the chassis for a month or two.
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I've successfully employed a method to seal holes of the sort in my Benz. Glued in Polly mesh material over the cavity. Used, as seen on tv, flexseal! Idk about floating an s10 pickup on water but the stuff is fairly usesfull. Other brands of spray flexible sealant in stores now.

Goes on easy and forms up hard. 8 months on and it's still holding. Almost hard to distinguish patch from the original undercoating material.
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You will like the DAP 230. When using it if you get any on an unintended surface, wait until it half cures then just rub it off.

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