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Old 06-03-2013, 01:19 AM
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According to their website - 300 miles is the correct answer. -The OP's post I corrected, was incorrect.

I don't have garage-size storage problems. If I did, I'd build a bigger one.

They're dirt cheap to drive. Damn near free for 8-years and unlimited miles. Would easily beat most any gas or diesel burners in those parameters. The best deal going if it works for you. I could easily plug one into my driving style needs. Definitely worth considering versus continuing to shovel-out $$$ in the expense to run almost anything else. Depends on how many miles are driven in 8-years, and how much expense the next battery is in 8-years. The miles are free - outside the personal charging out of pocket costs. There's so many free sites to recharge, more coming too in all likelyhood. Entities, private and Gov't. are wanting to look green and hip by providing free charge stations. I saw one out in the Middle of West Tennessee off I-40 for example.

Definitely a very exciting vehicle. The savings are there for the right planning individuals.


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The 300 mile range is at a speed of 55 MPH and with minimal use of power-hungry accessories like heat and air conditioning. At a more typical freeway speed of 65-70 MPH (or more) and/or with heavy use of accessories, the range will be reduced. Still, it's better than any previous EV and a very handsome automobile to boot.

Model S also weighs 4500 pounds and is the size of an S-class Mercedes. It would be big for my garage, not to mention my checkbook.

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Old 06-03-2013, 03:05 AM
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According to their website - 300 miles is the correct answer. -The OP's post I corrected, was incorrect.

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The 265 miles range seems to come from American government research - take a look at the wikepedia link I posted before.
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Interestingly, it takes only 20 minutes for Tesla to replace the battery, if the need ever arises.
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Roadside assistance could get you going with a new battery in the same amount of time it takes to fix a flat.
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The San Francisco chapter of MBCA is touring the Tesla factory August 10th. They issue drool bibs at the door or so it is rumored!

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I saw one at a Tesla dealer at a mall, I pretty much needed a drool bib because they had a bare skeleton car too.
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:55 PM
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There's so many free sites to recharge, more coming too in all likelyhood. Entities, private and Gov't. are wanting to look green and hip by providing free charge stations. I saw one out in the Middle of West Tennessee off I-40 for example.
That is actually a really interesting option. If you go someplace on a regular basis for a number of hours (for example, to work every day) and were allowed to charge there for free, it would greatly reduce your electricity bill, thus lowering operating costs to almost nothing.

There's a free charging station in front of our county administration building -- but you're limited to four hours. Even so, better than nothing.

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Old 06-03-2013, 04:21 PM
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Recharging is a nightmare - imagine how many road side cafes are going to be needed to accommodate all these EV owners hanging about for another bit of juice on ever degrading batteries...

...I think these cars are always going to be limited in use if they can't recharge like filling up your fuel tank works today.

It will be OK if you use your car to go to the shops and then come back home - park in your slot that has the automatic coupling charging attachment - but imagine a taxi using this? At the moment it couldn't work. Many taxis I know are driving at least 20 hours a day (even if they do seem to be hanging about outside railway stations when you don't need them - however, get off the last train when it is raining...)

Breakdown is also an interesting situation - you need something big to carry about a whole battery set. I can't see a world full of electric vehicles - trucks as well - for many a life time. (You see I've said it now - next year there'll be a solution and I'll look stupid!)
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:54 PM
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The title sums it up....let's just say my commitment to never buying newer cars has suffered a serious setback! (though my bank account would never permit me to do otherwise)
Drive an older (2005) Ferrari F430 or a new Mustang with the 5.0 Coyote engine.

I've driven the Tesla. It's OK. I drive farther to work than it's cruising range.
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Recharging is a nightmare - imagine how many road side cafes are going to be needed to accommodate all these EV owners hanging about for another bit of juice on ever degrading batteries...
No big deal, we just get rid of all the cars that burn fossil fuels and create more nuclear power plants to recharge our electric cars!!!!
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No big deal, we just get rid of all the cars that burn fossil fuels and create more nuclear power plants to recharge our electric cars!!!!
or go solar/wind on bunches of rooftops. it's all about micro-inverters.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:18 PM
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The 265 miles range seems to come from American government research - take a look at the wikepedia link I posted before.
If you can believe what Tesla says about their cars, then that's what I'm going by: "300 MILES."

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That is actually a really interesting option. If you go someplace on a regular basis for a number of hours (for example, to work every day) and were allowed to charge there for free, it would greatly reduce your electricity bill, thus lowering operating costs to almost nothing.

There's a free charging station in front of our county administration building -- but you're limited to four hours. Even so, better than nothing.

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I've never seen any electric cars being recharged at any of the recharging stations I've run across. I saw one in suburban Houston in front of a restaurant, just as the one in W. Tennessee was in front of a restaurant right on the Interstate highway system. The free recharging aspect is a definite plus when looking at the big known picture. I've bought $250.00 in diesel fuel in just 5-days on the road, and will be buying another $200.00 in the next four days. The Tesla's driving expense would have been free for the same territory I've covered. I don't see a downside from my particular perspective, if it plays out as presented, although I hesitate to be a guinea pig at this stage of the game, when considering parting with $75K, or whatever the upgraded model is. If there were known guarantees in future costs which there aren't, I could use a car like this. No question about it. I'd be pocketing the $500.00 inside 10 days, instead of paying it to the oil companies. Pretty much a slam dunk to me which vehicle to pay for. The one that cost double, but has NO fuel bills - or, the one that costs $40K, and costs thousands MORE a month to operate?! Like, duh, I'll take the one that's unlimited FREE miles for 8-years!

As far as charging goes? I can easily justify doing Internet and cell phone work while the car is recharging on the road. Every single business day, I already am spending at least 30 to 45 minutes on-line or on cell phone business calls. I don't work in a test lab office / controlled environment as many do. The 30 minute recharge time-out gives me a break on the road, and get the necessary real time work done too.

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Recharging is a nightmare - imagine how many road side cafes are going to be needed to accommodate all these EV owners hanging about for another bit of juice on ever degrading batteries...

...I think these cars are always going to be limited in use if they can't recharge like filling up your fuel tank works today.

It will be OK if you use your car to go to the shops and then come back home - park in your slot that has the automatic coupling charging attachment - but imagine a taxi using this? At the moment it couldn't work. Many taxis I know are driving at least 20 hours a day (even if they do seem to be hanging about outside railway stations when you don't need them - however, get off the last train when it is raining...)

Breakdown is also an interesting situation - you need something big to carry about a whole battery set. I can't see a world full of electric vehicles - trucks as well - for many a life time. (You see I've said it now - next year there'll be a solution and I'll look stupid!)
Supply of recharging stations and bays will increase with demand. The taxi drivers will recharge while waiting at airports, etc. for fares. The boon in take-home money when you have zilch daily fuel or engine expenses will be a huge incentive to buy the electric taxi.

Private retail businesses will offer them as a way to get the electric car owners' business, be it restaurant or retail. Hospitals and Gov't entities will step-up with the giveaways of free recharging stations/bays too, albeit on taxpayer's backs.
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They may go with a road-embedded inductive charge coil system. The new Formula E race series is leaning towards this route, but while the cars are in motion.
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Supply of recharging stations and bays will increase with demand. The taxi drivers will recharge while waiting at airports, etc. for fares. The boon in take-home money when you have zilch daily fuel or engine expenses will be a huge incentive to buy the electric taxi.

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Yes but that's the system now. I bet you there is no way that energy will suddenly become free. I know Tessla are saying free re-charging points and free for ever - but - in the end the cost will be extracted by other means. They could for example "sell" their charging stations to another company that then goes bust or nearly bust and has to make people pay...

...I'm pretty sure the Dutch government would be upset if they lost their fuel duty taxes - they're not going to take a pay cut. I reckon other governments will feel the same way too.

Don't believe the hype. "They" didn't like it when people started to pour chip fat into their fuel tanks - that was too clever and "not fair"...

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