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Old 07-29-2013, 12:04 AM
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The other option is to install a piston type vacuum pump from a 300D or any of the five cylinder engines. After two diaphragm repairs I made the switch.
I think the diaphragm type pumps don't like high RPM.
My '82 240D, and the '79 or '80 Pick-N-Pull 240D I once pulled a temporary spare from, used piston pumps, with no vacuum exhaust line connected to the intake. Those pumps exhaust vacuum into the crankcase, via the timing-chain housing.

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Old 07-29-2013, 02:37 AM
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My '82 240D, and the '79 or '80 Pick-N-Pull 240D I once pulled a temporary spare from, used piston pumps, with no vacuum exhaust line connected to the intake. Those pumps exhaust vacuum into the crankcase, via the timing-chain housing.

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Not all models apparently. My 1974 240D swapped with a piston pump from a early 300D. Venting was to the air intake. Some simple adapting to the line had to be made to fit into the 240D air intake. I can tell you the locks went up and down real quick with the higher vacuum. I guess in newer models the single vacuum inlet became the norm.
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Old 07-29-2013, 04:13 AM
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Hmmm...was ready to order...

But a simple test is recommended: to blow into the hose to tell if the diaphragm is still good.

Or swap pumps with a 300 type to get away from the diaphragm design.

But swapping pumps might require some modding - on an easy scale or ?
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:12 AM
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Sorry I didn't read your original post clearly which was plume of smoke shifting from 2nd to 3rd. Are you door locks working? Do you have power brakes? If so your vacuum pump is OK. Try to diagnose what caused the smoke instead of swapping out parts.
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When my diaphragm started to rip and send oil up the pipe to the engine intake, my brakes were still fine. So that is not a great indicator of a torn diaphragm. If the tube between the vac pump and intake is black and contains oil, you need a new diaphragm. If it is not black, that is not your source of oil leak and you don't need those parts.
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Well in the OP, the car is a '79 W123 240D, and may already have a piston pump.
Need to verify before trying any blowing tests. Does it have two tubes connected, with one to the intake and the other to the brake-booster? If there's only the one tube to the booster, it's probably the piston pump.

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Are you door locks working? Do you have power brakes? If so your vacuum pump is OK. Try to diagnose what caused the smoke instead of swapping out parts.
Door locks work like they have a leak. Not perfect. Brakes work fine.

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When my diaphragm started to rip and send oil up the pipe to the engine intake, my brakes were still fine. So that is not a great indicator of a torn diaphragm. If the tube between the vac pump and intake is black and contains oil, you need a new diaphragm. If it is not black, that is not your source of oil leak and you don't need those parts.
My brakes, too, are ok. Yes, the air filter intake tube has traces of black oil.

BTW, did the test to force air into the (vacuum) tube (going towards the firewall) and was able to move some air.
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Well in the OP, the car is a '79 W123 240D, and may already have a piston pump.
Need to verify before trying any blowing tests. Does it have two tubes connected, with one to the intake and the other to the brake-booster? If there's only the one tube to the booster, it's probably the piston pump.

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Two tubes - one to the air filter and one to the brake (?).
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If your vac pump has two tubes, one to the intake and one to the brake booster, you have a diaphragm pump.

Now, is the tube going to the intake black and wet with oil inside? If so, then your vac pump needs some parts, as previously discussed. If not, your problem has nothing to do with the vacuum pump.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:13 PM
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My '82 240D, and the '79 or '80 Pick-N-Pull 240D I once pulled a temporary spare from, used piston pumps, with no vacuum exhaust line connected to the intake. Those pumps exhaust vacuum into the crankcase, via the timing-chain housing.

Happy Motoring, Mark
Looks like there is a vacuum pump from a 300D available.

Need to find out how much is involved when installing before I commit to order.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:06 AM
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I used a flat head screwdriver fitting in my ¼” ratchet which worked well. I didn’t need to remove the fan or fan shroud to get reasonable access
Am at this point but the fan is right in my way.
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Was ready to buy a special tool because I could not access the screws to remove the housing.

Checked the garage again, and found the perfect item in my dad's old tool collection that did the trick (will post the pictures later).

Now that I have the 8 screws off, and I took off the front plate with the 2 smaller screws that cover the springs,

the housing is still stuck and won't come off!!!


How much do I try to pull or twist??? I'm afraid I'll break something!

Really reluctant to disconnect from the block.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:13 AM
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Good news to report!
The housing finally came off with a lot of PB blaster and a chisel and hammer taps.

The rest was easy; took radiator off, moved fan blade a bit for more room.

What a job, but it was definitely worthwhile.

Parts ordered from Pelican came quickly, and very well boxed.

Thanks everyone for your help.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:10 AM
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Another update: checked the air filter, very clean except for one (small) black spot from oil.

Locks work faster.

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