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Old 08-12-2013, 02:45 PM
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06 E320 CDI 'Low Battery' Display discrepancy?

So, every time I fire-up the CDI, the instrument display reads; 'Battery Shop'

So, I went to an Interstate battery outlet, and here's what their scanner read on the 48mo. old battery:

BATTERY RESULTS
VOLTAGE: 12.68U
MEASURED: 1056 CA
RATED: 850 CA

What might be going on with positive readings like this, and the instrument panel reads; 'Battery Shop'?

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If you get a red battery display immediately upon starting the car, but no additional error messages, then you need a new auxiliary battery. The aux battery is located under the hood, underneath the cabin air filter. The aux battery supplies backup power to the SBC brakes in the even of a fault with the main battery. It was supposedly deleted on later 211 models when the SBC was replaced with conventional brakes.

The aux battery is a standard powersports (motorcycle, etc.) size AGM battery. Different manufacturers use different terminology, but it's a GTX-14BS or equivalent. It is readily available at McParts stores such as Pep Boys, Wally-Mart, and AutoZoo. Do be aware the batteries are shipped dry; you have to add the acid, let it absorb into the AGM, then seal and charge the battery before installation.

If the main trunk mounted battery is low, the car will either not start (duh) or will give an error message to the effect that electrical consumers have been disabled. Your heated seats will be disabled and your blower fan will be restricted to low speeds. When the battery reaches a sufficient level of charge, all the toys will be enabled. I have seen this message after letting the car sit for an extended period of time, such as when traveling overseas on business.

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Old 08-12-2013, 08:26 PM
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As jc said.

That '99 did not need but one battery.

I have seen the local "non Mercedes" shop replace an alternator because they did not know about the aux battery.
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Remember, the cables to the aux battery are hot all the time unless you disconnect the main battery. I just wrap the positive aux battery cable in a heavy kitchen towel when replacing the aux battery to prevent shorting the cable to ground and taking out the aux battery relay ($$$) or worse. As JC said, the aux battery needs to be filled with the included electrolyte, permitted to stand per the instructions, sealed and then charged before installation. Really not very difficult to replace, you can get the battery from McParts for about $100 and MB gets about $300 for the job. Mark
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there is a big relay somewhere in the system too. it also can cause this havoc. Its supposed to make the 2 batteries independant of each other. I read about this a long time ago when these cars were pretty new and this problem was encountered by a person in UK.
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Replace the aux battery first---it's at least 7 years old. Very doubtful that the aux battery relay is bad. Once installed start vehicle and check voltage at aux battery. It should be about 14V which would indicate that the aux battery relay is good. Note that it may take a few cycles of driving the vehicle for 15 minutes at a time to clear the low battery message---15 minutes being the approximate time the aux battery relay will permit the aux battery to charge per operating cycle. Mark
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Replace the aux battery first---it's at least 7 years old. Very doubtful that the aux battery relay is bad. Once installed start vehicle and check voltage at aux battery. It should be about 14V which would indicate that the aux battery relay is good. Note that it may take a few cycles of driving the vehicle for 15 minutes at a time to clear the low battery message---15 minutes being the approximate time the aux battery relay will permit the aux battery to charge per operating cycle. Mark
Good input. I trickle charged the new battery @2 amps for perhaps 3 hours before installing it in the car. While that is no more than a 50% charge, it was enough that I never saw the red battery warning message again.
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Remember, the cables to the aux battery are hot all the time unless you disconnect the main battery. I just wrap the positive aux battery cable in a heavy kitchen towel when replacing the aux battery to prevent shorting the cable to ground and taking out the aux battery relay ($$$) or worse. As JC said, the aux battery needs to be filled with the included electrolyte, permitted to stand per the instructions, sealed and then charged before installation. Really not very difficult to replace, you can get the battery from McParts for about $100 and MB gets about $300 for the job. Mark
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If you get a red battery display immediately upon starting the car, but no additional error messages, then you need a new auxiliary battery. The aux battery is located under the hood, underneath the cabin air filter. The aux battery supplies backup power to the SBC brakes in the even of a fault with the main battery. It was supposedly deleted on later 211 models when the SBC was replaced with conventional brakes.

The aux battery is a standard powersports (motorcycle, etc.) size AGM battery. Different manufacturers use different terminology, but it's a GTX-14BS or equivalent. It is readily available at McParts stores such as Pep Boys, Wally-Mart, and AutoZoo. Do be aware the batteries are shipped dry; you have to add the acid, let it absorb into the AGM, then seal and charge the battery before installation.

If the main trunk mounted battery is low, the car will either not start (duh) or will give an error message to the effect that electrical consumers have been disabled. Your heated seats will be disabled and your blower fan will be restricted to low speeds. When the battery reaches a sufficient level of charge, all the toys will be enabled. I have seen this message after letting the car sit for an extended period of time, such as when traveling overseas on business.

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Replace the aux battery first---it's at least 7 years old. Very doubtful that the aux battery relay is bad. Once installed start vehicle and check voltage at aux battery. It should be about 14V which would indicate that the aux battery relay is good. Note that it may take a few cycles of driving the vehicle for 15 minutes at a time to clear the low battery message---15 minutes being the approximate time the aux battery relay will permit the aux battery to charge per operating cycle. Mark
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Good input. I trickle charged the new battery @2 amps for perhaps 3 hours before installing it in the car. While that is no more than a 50% charge, it was enough that I never saw the red battery warning message again.
OK, so, I have a couple more Qs.

I am thinking that I'd prefer the sealed top battery - which is different than what hookedon is describing.

If I put the sealed top battery in, do I still trickle it, jcyuhn?

MB dealer wants $119.00 for it @ my MBCA member price - and it looks like I can get an AutoZone sealed battery - the motorcycle one for $80 - $85. Problem is, AZ doesn't show a part number / application for an auxiliary battery for the 06 CDI.

I see the style number you wrote above, jcyuhn. It that a good number @ AutoZone?

From YouTube, I got this HM Honda MC part #31500-HC4-726AH for: $102.59

I suppose I need cross-reference numbers at this point.

Is it worth it to just go with the MB dealer's battery? Downside the MB dealer is a 36 mile roundtrip ride. So, I thought I'd go AZ or Interstate, IF I can get a proper application part number.......
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You don't need the dealer battery. Both the dealership and motorcycle battery are AGM batteries---so called Absorbed Glass Mat batteries. Both batteries are "unsealed" when you purchase them because they are dry, i.e. without electrolyte. You activate the battery by adding the electrolyte that comes with the battery which is absorbed by fiberglass mat separators, letting it off-gas for a bit as stated in the instructions and then installing the non-removable caps which makes it a sealed battery. Once absorbed, the electrolyte will neither spill nor evaporate unless overcharged. Since the on board charging system will only charge the aux battery in 15+- minute cycles MB says you must charge the battery after activation. I assume the system would eventually charge the battery but why stress the $$$ MB system (aux battery relay) in lieu of using a cheap trickle charger? Just my $.02. Mark
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I used the Discount Auto Parts Autocraft Battery #14-BS. It was an exact fit and couldn't have been easier. Usually they have a coupon deal where you can order online for a discount and pickup within minutes in the store that you designate that has it in stock. NAPA frequently has a deal going too. Mark
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Hi SRJ -

I can clarify. Don & I are describing the same thing. The batteries are shipped dry. You add the acid (it's easy), let it absorb, and then seal the battery. It is a sealed, maintenance free battery from that point forward.

GTX-14BS is a good number. Many manufacturers sell under that number, others cross reference to it. At any rate, you need an AGM battery that is 5.875x3.375x5.6875 inches. Go buy it at autozone. Take it out of the box and compare it to the one in the car, make sure they are the same physical size. If all is good, add the acid and pop it in the car.

No need to go to the dealer, they are selling the same thing. For the extra 30 bucks they will add the acid for you, that's all.

Trickle charging it is optional. The car will charge it for you, but you'll get the red warning at start until it is sufficiently charged. May take a few start cycles.
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:02 PM
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10/4 I'm stoked with ya'll's info!
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:28 PM
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If I have read correctly there is somewhat of a different charge procedure for the AGM battery. Google it. I ended up picking up a charger that has the AGM mode selection.

I'd suggest just installing the battery in the car and go. Remember negative cable off first and on last.
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If I have read correctly there is somewhat of a different charge procedure for the AGM battery. Google it. I ended up picking up a charger that has the AGM mode selection.

I'd suggest just installing the battery in the car and go. Remember negative cable off first and on last.
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:40 PM
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AS A FOLLOW-UP.........

Went with a NAPA 14-BS POWER SPORT battery. No core charge, and about $93.00 IIRC......

FOOTNOTE:
The NAPA battery will need the car's orig. equipment nuts and bolts. Don't throw the car's OEM ones away, until you scope-out how the new battery terminals need to be newly attached.

ALSO; charged battery with my trickle charge, 2 AMP setting on 12 V battery charger for 1.5 hrs. / as per instructions with new battery.

THX for the help!

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If I have read correctly there is somewhat of a different charge procedure for the AGM battery. Google it. I ended up picking up a charger that has the AGM mode selection.

I'd suggest just installing the battery in the car and go. Remember negative cable off first and on last.
-Good *advise!

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