Talked to someone tonight who would like some information. (Why do people think if you own an MB diesel, you MUST have spare ones around, and know all about them? OK, yes, I do own 2.)
Anyway, he has a piece of equipment being powered by a 220D engine that apparently has died.
Question: what other MB diesels will bolt up to his bellhousing?
He has been looking at other options, but room is at a premium, and he tells me that the manual transmission is very short and he would like to get an engine for it that will more or less bolt in.
To close, don't suggest going to a PnP or junkyard and looking, as finding a Mercedes in a yard around this part of the world is not likely, it is going to be a case of knowing what is needed and trying to find a specific item.

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I'm pretty sure any 616/617 family of motors should fit the bell.

a motor out of a 240 from the later years will be the most powerful of the motors cloest to the same size.

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Where are you ? I am right at the border area with Nova scotia. I might be able to help. Depends on a few things. A newer 240d block should go in and bolt up with minumin issues at best. Depends if he wants much more power as well as space to go to the five cylinder as another consideration. Although it is my thought that the newer 240d is a better and a little stronger engine than the 220d block to start with. If what he had was well worn what I have is a much more powerful engine in comparison to a tired older 220d block especially..

I was keeping a really good 1983 240d engine as a spare. As engines go this is a good one. It is still in the body and runnable as I never recommend buying a used engine on the ground unless you know the person to be both knowledgeable and ethical. Application should be posted as operational environment has some bearing of what to put in as well I suspect.

I'm sure a 200D manual transmission (w110 fintail) won't bolt up to a 617; not for sure about the w114/w115 transmissions.

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I believe a late fintail will bolt to an early 115 at least.

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I don't think you can get anything newer than an OM616 / OM617 to fit to that bell housing. As you're short on length OM616 - cheap and plentiful - get one built after 1980 to benefit from some of the turbo developments.

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Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Depending on the starter motor config on the equipment, any of the 4 or 6 cyl gassers of the era will bolt up as well.

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Didn't the early 616s have only three main bearings?

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Also insert Porsche 914

What type of equipment? While bolt in is quicker if you have the correct parts, the trans might be a universal SAE bell housing opening the possibility of many engines.


Also have a look at similar era transit busses, they used the engine for AC / heating when the bus was stopped. Some refrigerated trailers used these engines as well.

I don't think so.

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1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

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Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Apparently, it was a re-power of a traxcavator (not sure of the spelling here, it is a track mounted rig with an excavator type bucket on the front and usually a backhoe on the rear), done some time ago, and space is at a premium, and speed is not an issue. I have not seen it, but he tells me the transmission is short enough to fit, and he would rather have a bolt in diesel engine to replace the 220D engine, hence the Mercedes question.
Barry- hold that thought until I get back to him. He looked at my 617, thinks it is too big to fit. I assume the 240 engine is similar in size to the 220 ?
edit: location: about 50 km northeast of Saint John, but the man with the questions is around Sussex, in my book, not far from the NS border.

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Barry, talked to him, he would like a price on the engine. Either PM me, or reply here, whatever is easier.

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1998 Dodge diesel

Something to remember about engines used in equipment. They are usually running at a higher percentage of their max HP for longer periods of time than the same engine used in a car. A worn engine that would go many miles in a car won't last long in equipment at max load.

From what I've seen quoted, a typical car takes ~ 20 HP to push it down the road at 55 MPH, far less than max HP of most engines in cars.

It would be wise ( if their mechanic has skills ) to wind in a set of rod / main bearings, front and rear crank seals. This is low cost insurance as worn bearings reduce oil pressure, lead to more wear and possibly a rod through the block.

Worn rings / bad valve sealing will reduce power but the engine will keep running.

I don't know if there IS a they involved here, got the impression this piece of gear is in private hands, not company, and he just wants to get it running again.
On another note, wow, I have not rolled in a set of bearings in a while, probably over 20 years ago, now.
Barry12345-
decided on a price yet ?

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1998 Dodge diesel

Bit of a bump, Barry, did you decide on a pice that I can pass on?

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1984 300 D runs, interior
1984 300 D light hit in front, RUST, mint/perfect dash, decent interior (see above), parts car
(hate to kill one)
1998 Dodge diesel