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Old 03-01-2017, 09:50 AM
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I am guessing I am stumped as you.

If it fires right up and revs/ idles nicely in the AM, I cannot see how there's "air" in the system at this point. Normally, if there was air, you would hear a metallic clang but that works itself out within 50 miles. However, you can drive the car without issue other than an annoying metallic clang sound.

However, once it warms up while in park, it will die?

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Old 03-01-2017, 10:00 AM
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300D sputters-stalls when warm
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:07 AM
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I am guessing I am stumped as you.

If it fires right up and revs/ idles nicely in the AM, I cannot see how there's "air" in the system at this point. Normally, if there was air, you would hear a metallic clang but that works itself out within 50 miles. However, you can drive the car without issue other than an annoying metallic clang sound.

However, once it warms up while in park, it will die?
It doesn't die immediately when warm and in park, but it will sometimes die if I rev up then let off the throttle.

There is definitely a metallic clang (nailing?) that I hear but I didn't know if it was a normal diesel sound or something to worry about. It is rhythmic with the rotation of the engine, not a single 'clang'.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:09 AM
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OK, apparently a bunch of folks have this issue ... as there are threads all over the place. There does not appear to be a general consensus relative to an A to Z method to diagnosis the issue(s). There does appear to be an assortment of suggestions ...
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:13 AM
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That clang is normal for new injectors as it's air in the lines. However, ranging from 1 mile to up to 50, it will go away. However, I never had a person experience the issues you have.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:24 AM
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OK, re-read all of your posts.

Apparently, prior to replacing fuel system components, the car would not start.

Now, it starts but won't go or stay running ...
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:25 AM
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The link you posted definitely sounds like my issue. I will certainly check the fuel tank vent this weekend.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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OK, re-read all of your posts.

Apparently, prior to replacing fuel system components, the car would not start.

Now, it starts but won't go or stay running ...
It is a long story, but when I first bought the car, it was running ok at first, with good power. But after a few trips around the block, it made a loud squeaking noise and stalled. I tore into it and got deeper and deeper and replaced tons of parts. After reassembly, I had the hardest time getting it to start and eventually concluded that it was air in the lines causing the non-start issue. Now it is starting, but has no power....
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:37 AM
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OK ... as for the current issue, and checking out the various threads and posts relative to this problem, my .02 cents / IMO is the following: I would refrain from tossing any real money into the problem as it looks like folks are just throwing parts at a problem.

The clear fuel line idea is a good idea. Cheap and you can see if you have a seltzer machine going on.

Removing fuel and oil filler caps is a good idea as it's free.

I have never had an issue with one of my rebuilt lift pumps as those real Bosch kits are bullet proof. Injectors should be fine as well. The OFV has so few parts I cannot imagine I assembled the ball bearing and spring in reverse order. If you want, pull that and take a peek. In the event I did that backwards, I am truly sorry. I have done a lot of those and maybe I screwed up. I honestly don't think I did, but I would check that ... being compulsive in some regards, now I am questioning myself ... although I have done these over and over ...
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:13 PM
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An important lesson: Do not tear into it and do a bunch of stuff. Do one at a time and observe the results by starting the engine and see how it behaves. This is especially true if you are not an expert on these engines. Even if you are an expert, it is better to do one job at a time and test in between.
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An important lesson: Do not tear into it and do a bunch of stuff. Do one at a time and observe the results by starting the engine and see how it behaves. This is especially true if you are not an expert on these engines. Even if you are an expert, it is better to do one job at a time and test in between.
A valid point, but in my case, it was a combination of maintenance/wear part replacement and troubleshooting. It was also a case of convenience and not wanting to completely reassemble in between jobs. With such limited time to work on the car, I have to try to maximize my time.
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Agreed. The lift pump, especially if just rebuilt, can *suck a golf ball thru a garden hose*.

The low pressure fuel supply system operates at below atmospheric pressure due to the intense suction from the lift pump. If there is a pin hole leak it will suck air.
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I don't drive it on a daily basis, it is still in repair mode and I only get to work on it on the weekends as I travel all week for work.

However, yes it does fire right up when cold and it idles nicely.
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There seems to be two (possibly connected) issues.

1. It has very little power when driving (when warmed up or when still cold). It way over-revs before shifting and the shifts are very rough.
Typical behavior for the gearbox if the engine has only little power.


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2. Once it is warmed up, it tends to want to die after revving up. This doesn't seem to happen when it is still cold. This dying after revving when warm can happen after driving or when revving by hand. This issue definitely seems to be a fuel supply problem.
Yes, I also think the injection pump gets air instead of fuel


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When I get home this weekend, I am planning to replace the cigar hose with a clear line to see if there is air in the lines. I am also planning to unhook the line to the shut off valve to see if there is vacuum misapplied there.

Any other suggestions are certainly welcome.
Don´t remove the ALDA
Block the EGR (you already did as I have read)


How old are your fuel lines?

What you describe sounds exactly like a pinhole in a fuel line like Jay_bob said.

You should replace all your fuel lines from the fuel tank to the injection pump housing including all hoses on the pressure side of the lift pump.
If there is a pin hole on the pressure side it is as bad as on the suction side. There will be no fuel leaking but air will get in.

If you are not 110% sure that every fuel line is perfect and as good as new, you should replace it.
Even a slightly slipping hose clamp can let air in but no diesel out!


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Old 03-01-2017, 05:22 PM
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Are you suggesting to remove the ALDA altogether? Or bypass it? Or...?

I've heard of people adjusting it to get more power (at risk), but I've never heard of people removing it entirely.

I like removing it altogether. My symptoms were idle great but give it gas and it goes nowhere. I did plumb in a little fuel tank under hood first to eliminate any fuel restriction possibility.
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:34 PM
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I got a little time to work on it tonight. I installed the clear hose in place of the cigar hose and did not see any bubbles while idling or while revving by hand. Obviously I couldn't look for bubbles while driving.

I also swapped fuel filters again just to be sure, checked all the fuel lines under the hood, and bypassed the switchover valve between intake manifold and ALDA. I also unplugged the brown line going to the shut off valve, just in case...

Nothing helped...as before, the car starts immediately and idles just fine. It has very little power while driving when cold, but it at least drives and stays running while cold. It revs way too high before it shifts into 2nd, but then it almost immediately shifts into 3rd, which bogs it down, since I'm only going about 15mph at that point. When it does shift from 1st to 2nd, I immediately hear a loud hissing noise after the shift that sounds like the turbo spooling.

As it warms up, it runs progressively worse until it gets fully warmed up (does not overheat) and eventually it dies when I stop. Once it dies, when I attempt to restart, it will barely crank, as if the battery is dead. I'll be curious to see tomorrow if it starts up easily, or if the battery is truly dead.

Tomorrow I am planning to check all the fuel lines in the rear of the car to see if any are leaking. Any thoughts on what would cause it run progressively worse (and eventually die) as it warms up? It is not overheating, it is about 90 degrees C when it starts to run poorly and die.

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