MB Diesel Emissons Probe Uncovers Defeat Device - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

KrustyKustom · #16 02-20-2018, 10:13 PM

I have a GL350 (OM 642 ), just turned 124k miles and love it. But when the time comes to replace it not sure what to do...once you have the diesel torque and mileage hard to go to a twin turbo V8 gasser that needs premium.

May have to look for a clean 2016 model...

chsu74 · #17 02-21-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KrustyKustom

I have a GL350 (OM 642 ), just turned 124k miles and love it. But when the time comes to replace it not sure what to do...once you have the diesel torque and mileage hard to go to a twin turbo V8 gasser that needs premium.

May have to look for a clean 2016 model...

I did the math and it was fairly surprising for the miles we log with the GL. At 7K miles annually, the difference in fuel cost is around $50 extra per month or $600/yr or $1200 every two years.

Maintenance on the diesel may or may not provide this savings. I am not sure the new hot Vee6 motor in the GL450 will be reliable long term but the V8s have proven to be reliable.

I ended up getting a ‘14 GL 450 a few months back because it was crazy optioned up to $93K MSRP and the reliability on a detuned V8 550 motor. Will be looking to get rid of my ‘09 GL320 with 67-68K miler this summer as my drive way is completely full of cars. I will surely miss the diesel for sure but I have a Cayenne Diesel as well which I think is an even better machine..

tdoublenastywitit · #18 02-21-2018, 09:52 AM

Has everyone seen the Netflix documentary that is all about this?? It came out a few weeks back

If not everyone should check it out it explains a lot and is very interesting. It also proves that no one is innocent, every single German made diesel vehicle is toting a defeat device, every single one.

vstech · #19 02-21-2018, 10:32 AM

is it a defeat device, or is it creative interpretation of the epa regulations?

I seriously doubt anyone here on the forum has read or understands the entire epa guideline...

I hope it works out, and diesel vehicles get better compliance, but odds are good, the epa will make specific requirements and the fight will be on...

mbolton1990 · #20 02-21-2018, 12:03 PM

Fwiw the EPA guidelines are so strict they're trying to eliminate the Diesel engine in their own right. And if the engine somehow can pass the EPA requirements the EPA will just keep making them stricter until no Diesel can pass. They don't care if it makes the engines disposable either.. they're doing the same things with semi engines also. The new semi engines are nowhere near as reliable as the older ones which is why people are making "Glider" kits, new trucks with old engines and they're exempt from the EPA for now..

tjts1 · #21 02-21-2018, 12:51 PM

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Fwiw the EPA guidelines are so strict they're trying to eliminate the Diesel engine in their own right. And if the engine somehow can pass the EPA requirements the EPA will just keep making them stricter until no Diesel can pass. They don't care if it makes the engines disposable either.. they're doing the same things with semi engines also. The new semi engines are nowhere near as reliable as the older ones which is why people are making "Glider" kits, new trucks with old engines and they're exempt from the EPA for now..

It's interesting that GM, Ford, Jaguar/Land Rover etc are all introducing new diesel engines to the US market that are fully in compliance with EPA rules despite extensive testing above and beyond the regulation. Why do you think that is?
You can try to blame the EPA all you want, it doesn't change the fact that others are perfectly capable of meeting emissions rules without cheating.
https://blog.caranddriver.com/after-delay-chevy-coloradogmc-canyon-diesels-are-being-released-to-dealers/

Mxfrank · #22 02-21-2018, 01:02 PM

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It's interesting that GM, Ford, Jaguar/Land Rover etc are all introducing new diesel engines to the US market that are fully in compliance with EPA rules despite extensive testing above and beyond the regulation.

You have to admit it would be ironic if GM saved the diesel engine.

mbolton1990 · #23 02-21-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

It's interesting that GM, Ford, Jaguar/Land Rover etc are all introducing new diesel engines to the US market that are fully in compliance with EPA rules despite extensive testing above and beyond the regulation. Why do you think that is?
You can try to blame the EPA all you want, it doesn't change the fact that others are perfectly capable of meeting emissions rules without cheating.
https://blog.caranddriver.com/after-delay-chevy-coloradogmc-canyon-diesels-are-being-released-to-dealers/

Give it a couple more years.
I talked to a CDL tester that was working with Volvo at the time when the EPA announced their new diesel regulations for the future and they said it was simply impossible for any diesel engine to pass.. at least with the technology we have available now. Unless more serious breakthroughs are made it is highly doubtful! He hinted that they were leaning towards going all electric in the future..

tjts1 · #24 02-21-2018, 04:10 PM

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He hinted that they were leaning towards going all electric in the future..

Great, I'm all for that. Hybrids have been cheaper to manufacture and more efficient than diesels for years now. It's only a matter of time before electrification catches up Trucking industry as well.

97 SL320 · #25 02-21-2018, 04:33 PM

The below was apparently lifted from an AMA source. There was some negotiation for off road 2 stroke bikes however I doubt this give and take would ever extend to US on road cars ( diesel or not ) since they are driven on local ,state highways built with fed $.

New EPA Emissions Rules May Mark End Of Two-Strokes

vstech · #26 02-21-2018, 08:55 PM

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Great, I'm all for that. Hybrids have been cheaper to manufacture and more efficient than diesels for years now. It's only a matter of time before electrification catches up Trucking industry as well.

Ha ha ha ha ha...

Never for otr long haul trucks... batteries are too heavy and expensive ...

vstech · #27 02-21-2018, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mxfrank

You have to admit it would be ironic if GM saved the diesel engine.

Best quote I have seen here in a long time...

tjts1 · #28 02-21-2018, 09:38 PM

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Ha ha ha ha ha...

Never for otr long haul trucks... batteries are too heavy and expensive ...

Said nobody ever.

Pepsi 100 orders
Anheuser-Busch 40 orders
Sysco 50 orders
UPS 125 ordered
DHL 10 ordered
Asko 10 ordered
Lablaw 25 ordered
Walmart 15 orders
Bee’ah 50 orders

chrisgt · #29 02-21-2018, 09:43 PM

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Said nobody ever.

Pepsi 100 orders
Anheuser-Busch 40 orders
Sysco 50 orders
UPS 125 ordered
DHL 10 ordered
Asko 10 ordered
Lablaw 25 ordered
Walmart 15 orders
Bee’ah 50 orders

What is their usage case for these trucks? Long haul or local delivery?