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Old 06-22-2020, 10:26 AM
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If car was not maintained by a dealer, it might be of interest to know what oil was used. The oil specified for the Bluetec is a low-ash oil. If an owner or his garage has not used the correct oil, then that could be part of the problem. You can't just put any old diesel oil into the Bluetecs. High temperatures in the emission system can increase sludge formation which in turn can cause engine failure. I believe it must be to MB-Approval 229.51 or 229.52.
Used Mobil1 ESP 0W-30 (229.51 and 229.52 MB-Approval) within the last 2k miles, so I would be surprised if it's related to that, but I guess you never know.
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:12 AM
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Used Mobil1 ESP 0W-30 (229.51 and 229.52 MB-Approval) within the last 2k miles, so I would be surprised if it's related to that, but I guess you never know.
What would be more important, would be what oil was used throughout the engine's life. Sludge formation develops over time. The earlier MB approved oils were not suitable for these cars, but even some of the dealers continued to use them. The new oils only came out more recently - they are low ash but also designed for the high temperatures in the exhaust recirc system that can result in decomposition and sludge. (Or so I believe - its been a while since I researched that!)

If an engine flush was done it could be that sludge was dislodged and blocked oil passages? You won't easily find that out!. It does seem to have been a problem with that model and the technology as a whole.

I see you asked about a different engine. Not so easy with all the changes in the computer and wiring required. A CDI engine would be an improvement. Or even a gas engine. But none of that is easy!
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What would be more important, would be what oil was used throughout the engine's life. Sludge formation develops over time. The earlier MB approved oils were not suitable for these cars, but even some of the dealers continued to use them. The new oils only came out more recently - they are low ash but also designed for the high temperatures in the exhaust recirc system that can result in decomposition and sludge. (Or so I believe - its been a while since I researched that!)

If an engine flush was done it could be that sludge was dislodged and blocked oil passages? You won't easily find that out!. It does seem to have been a problem with that model and the technology as a whole.

I see you asked about a different engine. Not so easy with all the changes in the computer and wiring required. A CDI engine would be an improvement. Or even a gas engine. But none of that is easy!
I can say that it's gotten the same 229.51/2 oil for the 20,000 miles we've had it, but what was used prior to that is a mystery. I don't really intend to do an engine swap, but was curious as to what's out there.
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:58 AM
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Just spoke to the technician and he stated that he was not sure what the actual cause of the seizure was and that it would involve dropping the oil pan for approximately $1,500 to properly diagnose. He stated that the oil was barely on the dipstick (very low) and was dark with a grayish tint and gritty. This is strange to me as I check the oil twice on level ground right before having it towed to them and the oil was showing completely full. I am going to get a second opinion and they highly recommended taking it to the dealer as the tech used to work there, which makes me very reluctant to take it to the dealer. Any thoughts on this new information?
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:04 PM
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Drain the engine oil through a coffee filter before removing the pan. That should shed some light on the situation....
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Just spoke to the technician and he stated that he was not sure what the actual cause of the seizure was and that it would involve dropping the oil pan for approximately $1,500 to properly diagnose. He stated that the oil was barely on the dipstick (very low) and was dark with a grayish tint and gritty. This is strange to me as I check the oil twice on level ground right before having it towed to them and the oil was showing completely full. I am going to get a second opinion and they highly recommended taking it to the dealer as the tech used to work there, which makes me very reluctant to take it to the dealer. Any thoughts on this new information?
Dark oil with a grayish tint could be caused by either connecting rod, or main bearing material breaking down due to lack of oil pressure. As other posters suggested, if you can get the car home, you may be able to diagnose the problem yourself. Good luck!!!!
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Old 06-22-2020, 01:41 PM
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. I am going to get a second opinion and they highly recommended taking it to the dealer as the tech used to work there, which makes me very reluctant to take it to the dealer. Any thoughts on this new information?
Maybe the dealer would be a better choice now the tech doesn't work there

Have you talked to MBUSA customer service. They have been through this before. And they have trained reps that can at least give you good advice. I have done that in Canada and received a great deal of help from the MBCanada tech rep for our area. The whole engine does not likely need to be replaced. It does maybe have to be removed and sent to a rebuild shop. No matter what, it will be expensive. I would figure on $15-$20k. Maybe less for a used engine, but do you want that? Maybe your next step should be to trade for a Subaru or something reliable, under warranty and cheaper

I had something like this happen on a smaller scale to my much more simple '85 W123 diesel. An oil-change shop likely dropped a nut into my turbo intake. Engine was destroyed. I didn't even try accusing anyone. Just found a good used engine and had it rebuilt and installed by a good indy shop. Cost me $7000 back in 2001. Car was worth less than that before the incident! But I still have that car and drive it daily. But it is a car that was worth keeping.

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It does maybe have to be removed and sent to a rebuild shop. No matter what, it will be expensive. I would figure on $15-$20k. Maybe less for a used engine, but do you want that? Maybe your next step should be to trade for a Subaru or something reliable, under warranty and cheaper
I would qualify this in saying this would be the case so long as it is something that requires removing the engine. It's possible the timing chain broke without any substantial damage. If the engine does not need to be removed, it can likely be fixed without paying a fortune. Maybe a valve stuck or something like that. Who knows if you don't pull the head off? I think in this environment of hiring "parts changers" instead of "troubleshooters", there are likely a number of people who would pay the $15K+ or even junk the car when it could be fixed by a competent person. Make sure you are completely confident in the diagnosis before you make a final decision.

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Maybe a valve stuck or something like that. Who knows if you don't pull the head off? I think in this environment of hiring "parts changers" instead of "troubleshooters", there are likely a number of people who would pay the $15K+ or even junk the car when it could be fixed by a competent person. Make sure you are completely confident in the diagnosis before you make a final decision.
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The kicker is - How much do you want to pay for a diagnosis just to find out that you still need to pay $15-20k?

I would involve MBUSA regardless. They may be able to help with the diagnosis.
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I would involve MBUSA regardless. They may be able to help with the diagnosis.

MBUSA will advise to bring the vehicle to an MB dealer. The extent of their advice will be to recommend one if you aren't familiar with any in your area. They won't help diagnose anything, in fact whomever you speak with will have nearly ZERO technical knowledge.

The dealer will recommend a course of action based on their preliminary findings. Removing cylinder heads, oil pan, etc, will get costly very quickly...….
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Just spoke to the technician and he stated that he was not sure what the actual cause of the seizure was and that it would involve dropping the oil pan for approximately $1,500 to properly diagnose. He stated that the oil was barely on the dipstick (very low) and was dark with a grayish tint and gritty. This is strange to me as I check the oil twice on level ground right before having it towed to them and the oil was showing completely full. I am going to get a second opinion and they highly recommended taking it to the dealer as the tech used to work there, which makes me very reluctant to take it to the dealer. Any thoughts on this new information?
The oil level disparity is odd. Let us know what it looks like when you next pull the stick

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