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WDBCB20 · #16 09-18-2020, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

I'm not saying that you are wrong but do you have any links to articles on the subject of GM cheating emissions? I'd be curious to read up on it.

They've never had to "cheat". It's the entire US automotive culture, the land of the V8 landyachts of the "50s, '60s, '70s and '80's made way for the SUV's of the '90's, '00's and '10's with big macho pickup trucks being cultural icons for ever.

The rest of the world the entire time drove and still drives relatively efficient tiny 4cylinder cars and later hyper efficient small diesels.

pawoSD · #17 09-19-2020, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

It must be fun making up your own imaginary statistics about emissions to deflect from the fact that Mercedes Benz broke our laws, lied and cheated on order to make more profits selling us dirty cars.

They're not imaginary, in just about every one of these situations the amount of waste/pollution created to "fix" the issue just about negates the fix in the first place.

Obviously the manufacturers are to blame here, I don't recall saying they weren't. I said that the solutions presented to fix the problem are mostly pointless in terms of environmental benefit. The one item in the lawsuit that actually will make a tiny difference is the requirement to re-power 15 locomotives to cleaner operating engines as a single one of these locomotives dumps many many thousands of cars worth of emissions into the air on a daily basis. Perhaps they should have skipped fixing the vehicles and just required re-powering 500+ locomotives or other machinery.

Meanwhile many states have no inspections and people just drive their gassers around cat-less and other poorly running vehicles are allowed to do so with zero penalty.

tjts1 · #18 09-19-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TimFreeh

I'd say no more fun than living in an imaginary world where you can scream 'cheater, cheater, cheater' at Mercedes in every possible thread for creative interpretations of the clean-air act and at the exact same time author and post tutorials complete with pictures that show people how to disable EGR systems in Mercedes vehicles.

ROFL this is where you put up or shut up. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

They're not imaginary, in just about every one of these situations the amount of waste/pollution created to "fix" the issue just about negates the fix in the first place.

Ok, show me the data or study on that claim. Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

The facts remain: Mercedes cheated, lied about it and got caught.

t walgamuth · #19 09-19-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

I'm not saying that you are wrong but do you have any links to articles on the subject of GM cheating emissions? I'd be curious to read up on it.

Can't find any links, just google selling propaganda

I do know vw tdi fuel economy was always rated LOWER than reality, and GM fuel economy was rated HIGHER that reality - basically helping GM sell cars over VW by lying to the people. GM couldn't compete so they just lied. People still loved the TDI's so they got the government to railroad VW with the "emission scandal". Meanwhile, GM got free money to stay in business and never improved any of their designs. Probably just hitting up mercedes for easy extortion after what they did to VW.

My dad bought a 2012 equinox that claimed to get 30mpg and it NEVER gets that. The real emission scandal is that most people driving cars that still get around 20mpg because that is what is sold to them. Junkyards are overflowing with them.

If I ever got 40 mpg it was rare in my 012 tdi wagon.

pawoSD · #20 09-20-2020, 10:05 PM

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If I ever got 40 mpg it was rare in my 012 tdi wagon.

Same here....I had a 2013 TDI wagon from brand new to just under 10k miles and I think the BEST it ever did was around 34, usual average was mid 20's, sometimes dipping lower in winter.

Significantly worse than my GLK250, and it was a far lighter car, manual trans, better aerodynamics, smaller tires, and no 4 wheel drive....and 68 less HP.

It did regens....a LOT...every few hundred miles or so. Way more often than my GLK does....which is probably every 700-900 miles based on what I've noticed.

It was a terrible vehicle, hence my dumping it at a year/10k miles. Thankfully hardly any financial hit because they were a hot commodity at the time and I bought another vehicle from the same dealer to replace it. ('05 C240 Wagon, which was awesome)

Just drove my GLK 158 miles today at 80+mph and it netted 33.7mpg

Fulcrum525 · #21 09-22-2020, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Just drove my GLK 158 miles today at 80+mph and it netted 33.7mpg

Haha you were absolutely hauling compared to my fathers GLK250 which is lucky if it ever see anything about 65mph on the highway!

pawoSD · #22 09-22-2020, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Haha you were absolutely hauling compared to my fathers GLK250 which is lucky if it ever see anything about 65mph on the highway!

80mph is roughly the average flow of the traffic on freeways around here...up north the "limit" is 75, so people of course push that to about 88....

You can tell it would be happy doing 100+ all day long....barely even has to try at those speeds...stays happily in 7th gear the entire time.

Fulcrum525 · #23 09-23-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

80mph is roughly the average flow of the traffic on freeways around here...up north the "limit" is 75, so people of course push that to about 88....

You can tell it would be happy doing 100+ all day long....barely even has to try at those speeds...stays happily in 7th gear the entire time.

Oh for sure! I drove it on a trip to Boston a few years back and if you aren't paying attention it will steadily accelerate well past 80 and you wouldn't even know it without looking at the speedo. My ML250 will do the same but it is more.obvious because of the extra weight. (Its really neat driving them both back to back to see and feel the similarities and differences between the two.

t walgamuth · #24 09-23-2020, 11:29 AM

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-reaches-15-billion-settlement-daimler-ag-over-emissions-cheating-mercedes-benz-diesel

Here is the settlement. Looks like it is in a 30 day period that is for the customers to complain about the terms.

RunningTooHot · #25 09-23-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

Does anyone have more information about the nature of any extended warranty? Specifically, time or mileage restrictions? Please know that I did read the linked articles, but I didn't see any specifics mentioned.

This development makes it seem like the purchase of one of these later model diesels may be a more viable option now than before. Previously, my concern would have been dealing with the high expense of any potential emissions related parts failures.

pawoSD · #26 09-24-2020, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunningTooHot

Does anyone have more information about the nature of any extended warranty? Specifically, time or mileage restrictions? Please know that I did read the linked articles, but I didn't see any specifics mentioned.

This development makes it seem like the purchase of one of these later model diesels may be a more viable option now than before. Previously, my concern would have been dealing with the high expense of any potential emissions related parts failures.

No mileage restrictions, I read through much of the document and it pretty much says MB is on the hook to keep these cars exhaust systems in check on their dime for the life of the vehicle....so if thats 300k, that might be their hard luck.

Skid Row Joe · #27 09-28-2020, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

This will be the car's second exhaust system.....

Other than the dpf and two nox sensors its been completely reliable....including the adblue system, no errors or issues at all. Just crossed 90,000 miles a few days ago.

Doesn't sound like a vehicle I'd ever buy…..too costly & repeatedly problematic. After only 90K miles......wow!

pawoSD · #28 09-28-2020, 06:13 PM

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Doesn't sound like a vehicle I'd ever buy…..too costly & repeatedly problematic. After only 90K miles......wow!

Its been the least maintenance needy MB I've ever owned along with my W210 and brand new Metris....

Far less than the old ones.....Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar less.

Its a blast to drive....369lbs of torque off the line just rockets it forward with ease. 30+mpg in a 4,400lb SUV

And it doesn't turn to rust-dust in the Michigan winter, always a nice bonus.

My normal annual servicing is adding some ad-blue....and an oil change, maybe an air filter/fuel filter if needed, which are super easy to replace.

Did the differential gear oil a while back, also not a big deal. I have the tool to force fluid up into the diff/tranny from below (for the front diff), and the rear one was the same as the old cars.

barry12345 · #29 09-28-2020, 11:26 PM

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If I ever got 40 mpg it was rare in my 012 tdi wagon.

The ex Volkswagon service manager told me that basically all the engines where not properly tuned when sold. A good dealer could improve them.

They had four Passat diesel buybacks in stock the day we got the Passat. He suggested this one of the four. He had drove it and thought it was set up well. He also was pretty insistent that we use only the high test diesel in it.

Not available at all in America. Not scarce in Canada but not found everywhere by a long shot. He said our fuel millage improvement alone are worth the small additional cost. There are nominal differences in the tdi engine used in the Passat as well. Why I have no ideal.

The fuel milage some of you are reporting makes me wonder if these engines do not like normal north American diesel. The wives Passat with far more rolling resistance easily does better than the old 2006 diesel tdi Jetta I drive. That has a manual transmission.

The high test diesel we use has several detergents and a celane booster they claim. I fuel the old 2006 with the only diesel available at another station as it is some what cheaper there. Perhaps I will try some of the high test diesel in it. The detergents possibly keep the injectors cleaner.

t walgamuth · #30 09-29-2020, 08:24 AM

I'll have to try the #1 diesel.