OK, so I'm thinking about changing the timing chain... - Page 6 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

leathermang · #76 03-19-2004, 10:55 PM

Well,,,, I was REALLY Preaching to the Choir then..... LOL

240Joe · #77 03-19-2004, 11:26 PM

Tirebiter,

I will reply to your rather lame post, but first you answer my question....How much have you had to drink tonight?

240Joe

Fisherman · #78 03-20-2004, 12:50 AM

That just seemed downright not nice...

I had to read through this thing to figur eout if we were actually talking about a car problem for 6 pages of posts. Figured it must be full of good info to store in the ole grey matter.

Then I get an eyefull of this rather interesting debate as to the simplest of potential tests that cna be taken to whatever extreme the individual doing the work desires.

I had to jump in on this thread with the little reminder that this forum (I believe) is for sharing ideas and opinions but everyone here can take what they read, measure their decisions and move on... Big kids that we are if we take something that anyone says on the web as gospel then we are in serious trouble.

It sure seems like these threads have taken on a life of their own lately. They seem to be getting off subject awfully fast and going on and on...

One of the things that I love about this forum is being able to read a thread from beginning of problem to the end or hopefully end within three pages or so, this is getting carried away.

On a lighter note though, tomorrow is oil changes and cooling system flush day and I know I am going to start laughing as soon as I get on my back thinking about Greg sucking down a socket while trying to wipe the rust dust out of his eye...

BTW - the only tool I need or ever use is a good old fashioned American made Crescent (R) brand adjustable wrench...

I need new knuckles but hey it gets the job done!

leathermang · #79 03-20-2004, 07:38 AM

"simplest of potential tests that cna be taken to whatever extreme the individual doing the work desires."

In case that was directed towards me.... and if it was then it would suggest that you have not done this valve movement test in person.... because it is a ten minute procedure at the same point which the other method would be attempted....

These are the criteria which existed at the time I remembered the sentence in the shop manual....

1. Thread starter has performance complaint.
2. Checking chain was suggested by 240Joe.
3. I say " the shop manual says that if there is a performance complaint then the intake movement method is to be used for checking."

It is as simple as that.

How there could be this kind of controversy over someone pointing out an instruction from the shop manual I don't know... this was not my opinion... this was me reading something and letting others know it existed....

Fisherman · #80 03-20-2004, 08:44 AM

My point was not aimed at anyone but rather was simply a statement that in a lot of the jobs here, the person doing the work has the final decision on how they peform a task.

e.g. Oil change, hot and let it drain overnight or cold and when the main plug stops running and starts dripping refill it.

That was al I was trying to say, it was not directed at anyone...
Sorry if it was misinterpreted or misleading.

240Joe · #81 03-20-2004, 09:24 AM

Leather,

To quote Ronny Raygun, there you go again. Read the post that started this thread. There was no performance issue stated there. It might have been something mentioned in another thread but not here.

When I asked if he had checked the chain wear, he said that he "assumed" the chain needed replacement.

Others have said the same thing that I have. Eng said he has a dial indicator but just looks at the marks. Are you saying he is all wet?

Practicality is the result of experience and clear thinking. My clear thinking indicates that your experience is not in proportion to the number of your posts.

Now if we can get the post starter to take the valve cover off and read the stretch off the crank, we can wrap this thing up and move on

240Joe
:p

P.E.Haiges · #82 03-20-2004, 11:05 AM

240joe,

You suggestion to check the timing chain wear via the "line up the marks" method makes the most sense. If the cam timing is not off by more than 3 degrees, a new chain will make no improvement.

Its another case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" or "If it ain't broke, fix it anyway and then wonder why there was no improvement"

P E H

engatwork · #83 03-20-2004, 11:14 AM

LOL - I thought the question was should his wife help

?

I got help from my 10 yr old last time I did one but you have to understand - He will follow direct, verbal instructions exactly as requested. Not something the wife will do on a daily basis

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Stevo · #84 03-20-2004, 11:25 AM

Hay... its morning now maybe he will go out and take the valve cover off, look at the marks, and settle this. :p

leathermang · #85 03-20-2004, 12:05 PM

PEH, for the record, I did not even suggest checking the chain stretch.... and certainly did not suggest changing it out....
I just quoted the factory shop manual... which I believe the criteria existing at this time calls for specific type of test.... which may also measure some things which yall are not taking into account.. .like ramp wear on the cam lobe...
Anyway... I am amazed at how many people think they are smarter than the Factory shop manual...

engatwork · #86 03-20-2004, 03:54 PM

Quote:

I am amazed at how many people think they are smarter than the Factory shop manual...

I guess they forgot to call me

because I did not hear from them when they were preparing the manual.

I have never taken into consideration the cam lobe wear. I usually just give it a good visual inspection to look for any unusual wear patterns. I'm not sure at what point (mileage) the wear on the cam becomes sufficient to warrent replacement.

If I could get off topic for a second. A good friend of mine with a big block 427 (Camero) seems to go through camshafts in under 60k miles. I will have to inquire as to what the symptoms are when they wear out. If I were to guess I would think the engine would be down on power.

P.E.Haiges · #87 03-20-2004, 04:07 PM

Leather,

Did I say anything to or about you? I don't think so.

P E H

leathermang · #88 03-20-2004, 07:14 PM

PEH, re your statement " You (sic) suggestion to check the timing chain wear via the "line up the marks" method makes the most sense. "
Is an editorial comment with the implied " of the two suggested" ..... and since you issued it as a summary... not saying WHY it made more sense.... and since I am the loyal opposition in this discussion it is fair game for rebuttal...