Dont know for sure what you mean, but:

-the adapter plate as it is now, will have the center of the tranny shaft at the exact same place as the center of the crankshaft.

-Dont want to modify the tranny shaft either, thats for sure. I am gonna make the custom flywheel that way, that i dont have to adjust the crank or the tranny shaft.

No more news yet, to busy with a lot of things, and now 3 weeks on a holiday!
So August or September pictures of the adapter plate, after that fit the package in the 190 engine bay, and see if its doable.

Then, when i know its doable, i'm gonna make the flywheel (lot of work i suppose...)

cool, that answers my question....I wouldn't want to mod either shaft either

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1991 190e 2.6 ~~~ m117 5.6 project car

What engine is lighter - the M119 32v or the older (forget number) V8 from the W126?

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190E's:
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2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
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im pretty sure the W126 is aluminum

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M117 weighs 452 pounds, no accessories
1980 3.0 Porsche engine ready to install weighed 472 lbs
GM LS6 weights 434 pounds, all accessories (and is the same size as an M117, with nearly double the HP).
Engine pounds (ref) comments
Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)
Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)
Mercedes 5.6L V8 467 (57) 1987
Mercedes OM 615 Diesel 447 (16)
Mercedes M291 flat-12 374 (66) with starter, alt, exh, no clutch
Mercedes 2.8/4.2 V6 331 (127) 1997, SOHC 3V, "shipped for assembly"
Mercedes inline six 441 (127) 1995 and back
Mercedes 3.2L V6 330 (141) 1997 SOHC, 90 deg, 3 valve
Mercedes 5.8L V12 490 (143) 1997, 3 valve

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It has been a year and a half. Is this project held up over a custom made flywheel? There should be many people available to build a custom made flywheel. Can it be drawn.

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Well, very interesting thread, perhaps I can help to clear something.

-The M116 (350) was from the factory fitted with 4-speed manual or the 76/27 A5 5-speed option. it is a very rare beast but I have one on my 280 SE 3.5 Coupe.
- The M117 never had manual tranny but there where several AMG/Laufer conversions (450 SE/SLC) to Getrag 265 with the M116 clutch and flywheel.
- If you want to go up to M117 with 5liters the only with nearly the sam pattern is that one from the 450 SLC 5.0 (1800 units).
-If you want more than (560) you have to make a new motor-endplate.
-Fitting a M119 is more difficult, there is a carlsoon 500 E with Porsche-tranny, the Renntech 500 E with 6-speed. I think which type of tranny dipends where you live. In Europe a BMW 540/M5 is a good deal, in USA I think the Tremec (Mustang ) unit is perfekt for the jop. In any case the 3.5 flywheel fits on the crank and the endplate had to be made for this combination.

Next problem: M119 is KE-jetronik (first) or LH-Jetronik later, perhaps a megasquirt or VEMS would be easier than adpting the whole eletronic in a 190E.

Pagodino

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I' ve done some research. The easiest way to fit M117 and M119 (one bold difference) is to use the bellhousing auf the M119 E420/50 W210 automatic bellousing wich is separable from the rest. Then use a M116 350 flywhell (240 mm cluch like the M5/M3) turn it down at the outer side to fit the starter rim of the M119 and sensorplate if it is from 500 E or E50. If it is KE-jet use the normal 350 flywheel. This mix will fit wiht the Getrag 265 in the easiest way.

Pagodino

Pagodino, you should also follow this discussion here:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-performance-paddock/271090-non-mb-trans-mb-engines-post2432485.html?posted=1#post2432485