impressive man, btw u think cams from the e500 would fit on your engine and still give you some more power?

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Only the intake cam is different I think and yeah, it would probably gain me a bit but I'm not going to bother with it cause my long term plans involve swapping in a whole 5.0 eng. from a S class--- there really is nothing unique about the 5.0 in the 500E/E500 you know. GSXR and I have already talked about swapping S-class 5.0s in place of our 4.2s at that thread I linked earlier in this thread. But you know, I'd like to turbo one of my I-6s like you have done too! Regards, Eric

Not true, I believe Porsche or whoever fitted a a different injection system compared to the S class engine they started with (I believe it was LH instead of L which included hot wire intake air mass sensor?). It officially has 21 lbft more of torque from memory.

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

We didn't get the 500E till 92 and by then it shared it's eng./fuel injection/electronics/etc. with the new W-140 S-class. The 91 500E's set-up (KE Jetronic) came from the 500SL. 92 was the beginning of MB's long overdue phase-out of the KE jetronic system. 92 is also the first year of the new "low deck" 5.0 Regards, Eric

I am very surprised to hear this. This means the early R129 500SL came with KE Jetronic too? I have taken your information and tried to prove it for myself. I am surprised if when designing the M119 they bothered with KE at all, knowing they were moving away from it only 2-3 years later.
Wasn't the 600 from 1991 and it did not have KE Jetronic?

Googling some pics of the 1990 500 engine I found this pic

Is that a fuel distributor at the back? Does that mean it's KE?

and this pic of a 1993
which does not have that.

If it's true shouldn't this mean a 1990-1991 500 engine would have a lot worse power/torque curve than a 1992-? Which hopefully brings us close to topic..

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

I thought the V-12 came out in 92.
Yes it is. Yes it does.
No. The CIS-E makes good power and torque it just can't match the good emissions and fuel economy of a good sequential FI system.

It turns out I was partially in error on this. The 500E DID get LH in 91 even though the R-129 (500SL) stayed CIS/KE Jetronic and didn't go LH until the 93 M.Y. The 500E was the first Benz to get LH.
Regards, Eric

ERIC,
If you ask me, i would never turbo charge another of my cars again its just too much trouble, maybe its cause my car has so many miles on it, but every time i stressed my car out on a long run i would be thinking if somethin has went bad with the engine.

yesterday i took my car on 100mile trip in hot temps, and thou the car never overheated nor did it ping once it developed a small miss fire on idle and the breather is smoking more than usuall. now my plugs are way over due for a change and since i have no oil cooler on the m103 it could be cooked oil. any way tomorrow ill compression test the car, if anythin is off, ill be rebuilding the engine.

not that i dont love the way it delivers the power, its just that maybe my car has too much miles on it to take all this abuse. :/

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

So maybe it's a pain in the butt but it's still a cool car.

my car is from switzerland so it could be on the safe side. Any way if ur going with the temp trick it should not be an issue.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

i have to check again, been ages since i read them, and i might have done it as u say. once i check ill let u know, p/n 015 545 08 28 / 9251 06

on a sad note i blew a piston ring on my TTm103

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Sorry to hear about this but I believe you can't keep a good car down and you can't keep a good man down. You'll bring her back. Regards, Eric

ya thanx mate,car is already in the shops for an engine rebuild, might go for a single turbo setup and a FMIC. still not sure abt the turbo setup, but i know that one of my turbos needs a rebuild as well.

will make up my mind this week.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

gsxr is correct abt the fuel rating. I say usa has same grade fuel as the best in other countries. I might suspect that california cars might be slightly detuned, cant be sure as i live out of the usa.
Thats up to u guys to confirm. As for noticing more power, well u need to try and coax more timing to really feel it. Hence the temp trick. Dont forget a few degs of advance go a long way. But am sure u might hear some ping on top rpms if u really go crazy with the resistor values. I know i did.

Gr8 forum guys i love it.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Don't forget G-man, I'm a M-103 guy too!
I tested the 24 81 resistor and it gave me 749 ohms (within the tolerance I'm sure). Now I think it has been fairly well documented that when the 750 ohm spot is chosen on the cars that have those cool dials, the EZL retards the timing by 6 degrees. I think U.S. cars got the fixed 6 degree retard simply for emissions reasons. You and I briefly touched on the "resistor mod" topic before (in a PM I think) but I didn't really state my opinion because I didn't want to seem too argumentative cause I like and respect you too much but I have to say I'm a believer. I intend to back it with some back to back ETs in the future. It seems that the gain is mostly under part throttle conditions and low to mid-range RPM which make sense cause that is where the advance is needed the most and where these engines are kind of "soggy".
Lots of other posts to respond to but I'll have to do it later tonight. Regards, Eric