We have a 99 ML 430. We love it as an SUV. But hate it as a vehicle. I have ran into many problems. And the warranty period is over sicne we just nailed 50k miles. First question, if we upgraded to the ML 500, have most of these issues been addressed. Do they still have quirks? If so, hows the build of the G500. We love Mercedes, but we can't stand behind something that we don't like.

Thers a huge price difference too, and I am sure thats due to the Off-road capabilties packed into the G500. But right now, we want to know which one is better built.

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Chirag (Charlie) Patel
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- 03 Mercedes S600 Sport TTV12
- 97 Acura NSX-T
- 99 BMW E36 M3 w/500+ HP
- 04 Lexus RX330
- 04 Dodge Dakota Quad 4x4 V8

4 Sale:
- 99 BMW M3 E36 Coup with Dinan SC, Upgraded to an RMS Stage 3 with Aftercooler, 12psi, and 500+hp @ flywheel.

I was in an ‘02 G500 2 days ago and as owner of a ’00 ML, I can say without reservation that the G has much nicer fit and finish, is more rugged on the underside. It is akin to comparing an E class with an S class. I love the way the doors close on the G. Reminded me or a gun safe. Yes indeed, that extra $35K does get you something substantial.

On the ML, most of the wrinkles were worked out in MY ’00. They are not perfect, but pretty darned good. I’ve heard reports that the G isn’t perfect either. I guess the more one spends the more some minor problems stand out.

Talk with a dealer about an extended trial period. When I last shopped for cars, I was able to borrow 2 vehicles, each for a week of testing.

I would also suggest that next time around, or even if you keep your ’99 that you look into an extended warranty. They are a nominal up front cost that is absolutely guaranteed to pay for itself; perhaps many times over.

Happy hunting!

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'00 ML320 "Casper"
'92 400E "Stella"

You guys have already identified this as an apples to oranges comparison. Perhaps I can provide a little more insight. Consider that the ML is built in an automated factory in Alabama by UAW. The G by comparison is hand built with almost no automation. They even bend brake lines by hand still. Automation brings efficeincy and consistancy to production. It does not see the occasional flaws the human worker can dectect and correct. I think the E-class, S-class comparison is close, in many cases the G employs more expensive materials which obviously raise the price.

I have heard that while the early MLs had some quality issue, that MB has responded and corrected them. I drove an ML500, it seemed very solid, very MB, and it is pretty dang fast to boot. The Gs built prior to the new MBUSA 2002 version are legendary for their build quaility. The paint on my old '90 300GE was better than that on my wifes '98 BMW. The paint on my '95 is equally superior. They are built like the MBs of old. That said, there are some problems on the new model. Some people have been having issues with the electronics when using the low range and differential locks. This is certainly caused by this being the first new interior design in over 10 years, which has added many electro gizmo luxury items to the G. They have also tried to greatly increase production to meet growing US demand. It may prove to be a challenge to maintain the old quality at the new volume, time will tell.

If you don't intend to utilize the Gs off-road capabilities the extra money is likely wasted. The ML500 is a pretty nice machine. Still the feel of the G on the road is very unique. It is truely akin to driving a bank vault. The truck is incredibly solid, the view is great, and the militaristic styling is something rare in todays car market. I can go either way on this one. On a budget the ML is great. Price be dammed the G is a very unique machine. Consider that the former importer in New Mexico reports that they have never worn out a Gwagen. Considering that they have been around over 20 years, I think that says a lot about the truck.

Let us know what you think after you drive both. Good luck with your decision.

Brent

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I'll throw my bits worth in here also. Imho, the best way to go might be to find a pre-2002 Gwagon that was imported by Europa. That is exactly what I did and I believe I didn't pay much more than what they are asking for a new ML500. You might not get all the luxury stuff in the 02 Gs but who cares. The thing is practically indestructible. I purchased mine used from a dealership in WA and have logged many miles since. I would never go back. Used to have a ML55 and many Range Rovers. Nothing feels like a G. I think you could probably get a good used example for in the 50s and 60s. Good Luck

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