I thought Kemp was a supply-side/Laffer Curve guy. I didn't know he was a flat taxer.

actually I don't think it was a pure flat tax, I think there was two maybe three brackets but the vast majority of people would have been at 15 or 18%.

Unfortunately the flow we are caught in from this simplistic cowboy outlook too closely resembles the swirling flow in a global toilet bowl. Our best hope is to disrupt this flow before we gain the volume and momentum needed to activate global toilet siphon and we are irretrievably dispatched on a downhill trip attributed to waste being flushed to the sewer or septic tank. Jim

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Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

Guess you better mark me up to being simplistic and a cowboy.

I like it when people speak clearly. It makes the choices less "nuanced". Less chance for false behavior, duplicity, and misapprehension.

Ol' Pervez Musharraf sure got the point. So did ol' Khaddahfi. Not to mention that wild an kuhrazy guy, Saddam. And goodness me, who can forget the merry band of jokesters and their cute babes-in-a-bag, the Taliban!

Clears the air.

Ahhhh, clarity of purpose. Nice thing to have in foreign lands when people are trying to hide among civilians and fly airplanes at us.

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Your definition of success is amazing. We have not actually defeated anyone. Its a big bag of wormy lose ends, created by an incompetant liar.

Wow, takes one to know one, nyah-nyah!

Clarity of purpose--isn't that what lemmings have in over-abundance?

That's an excellent question.

I can't speak lemming, not do I read lemming minds.

But I don't think purpose and instict are the same. I think purpose is a choice and instinct is a functional drive of basic biology.

So if my definition is correct, then lemmings are not purpose-driven.

...ah, but in the movie "The Jerk" the character Naven R. Johnson (Steve Martin) excitedly tells his parents back home that he's found "his purpose"--he got laid for the first time. If sex is an instinctual function, AND it is our raison d'etre, i.e. "purpose", then the instinctual need to march off cliffs must come awful close to a full blown 'purpose' as well.

There is a certian amount of inexactness here. He found his "special purpose", which I believe referred to the excited state of an appendage. In addition, he had a job prospect.

...marching off of a cliff is a pretty 'special' purpose. And, it looks good on a resume too.

Your definitions assume there is a real choice when, in fact, often the pre-programmed "functional drive" makes the choice so obvious, it is questionable if there was a choice. The human ego leads it to believe lower animals like lemmings and dogs and honey bees and so on, are driven by instinct and not choice like we higher order animals, the rulers, the humans. This is more likely a result of being outside their self awareness and watching from "above" while we are unable to see ourselves from such a detached perspective since we see everything from inside ourselves, and therefore are unable to detect what is actually hardwired and distinguish it from what is a real choice.

So, I would not jump to the conclusion there is a flaw in Zeitgeist's analogy. Jim

__________________
Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

Admitted I don't speak lemming nor have lemming telepathy. How much more equivocating should I have done before venturing an opinion?

Now we have your opinion on my opinion.

Now what do you think about his question from your perspective?

Cockburn's my favorite cantankerous commie.