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Old 07-28-2004, 07:15 PM
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Kerry supporters--a simple question....

Softball question, but I am serious....
Can any Kerry supporter give positive reasons for choosing Kerry? I mean is there anything positive you can say about your candidate that doesn't involve bashing Bush, Rice, Powel, Ashcroft, Haliburton, etc?
Another softball question---Would Kerry's approach to the war be substantially different than the President's from this point forward ?

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Old 07-28-2004, 07:17 PM
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You should listen to Mr. Edwards this evening. He's going to lay it all out for you.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:27 PM
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:33 PM
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I am sitting in a class right now. Exams are Monday. You'll get your answer.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:37 PM
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MS Fowler, isn't it just awful, taking a play right out of the RNC's playbook . . . it's "ABC" . . . Anybody But Clinton . . . all over again. Currently that's the real problem that the DNC is trying to overcome, the undecided vote is there, not particularly leaning to "another 4 years" but has yet to be convinced that Kerry/Edwards is any improvement. That's why this week's convention is important as a communication tool.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:46 PM
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As for it being a reply of the RNC strategy, I don't know/ don't care. I was never a Clinton fan ( no surprise there, I'm sure) , but I disagreed with specific policies/ practices. I don't think that stirring up hatred of the "other" candidate is ever a good idea.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:57 PM
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Its not hatred. Its disgust. We killed a lot of people under a lot of very unclear circumstances. The fact my tax dollars went for an oil company war make me sick.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:59 PM
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Negative advert worked for Bush I vs Dukakis. It worked for the Dems in 2000. I'm thinking specifically of the NAACP advert in which James Byrd's daughter blamed Bush for her dad's horrible murder.

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Had Kerry, early-on, been less disingenuous about his support of the Iraq War, he'd have been swamped by Dean. Recall that Lieberman and Edwards both stood by their votes and arguments in favor of war and they got tsunamied.

Dean's whole platform was to blame everything short of the Crucifixion on Bush (he'd have done that, too, had their been sympathy for Christianity in the Democratic Party!). Had Kerry not, "Me too'd" in a less crazed fashion than Dean, he'd have been back with the other also-rans.

Now, Kerry wraps himself in the flag ("Let me tell you about my medals") as though heroism is leadership.

For a counter-example of the value of being a hero, recall that Benedict Arnold was a gravely wounded hero to the colonials right up until he jumped in bed with the British. Or Gen Wilkenson, another war hero, tried to start a new nation with Aaron Buur (though Burr denied it), in the western territories.

What I'm saying his that heroism is laudable for its occasion, but it is basicly meaningless as a predictor of leadership competency.

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I wanna see "The-Ra-Sa" Kerry kiss Madonna!
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Old 07-28-2004, 08:11 PM
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Negative advert worked for Bush I vs Dukakis. It worked for the Dems in 2000. I'm thinking specifically of the NAACP advert in which James Byrd's daughter blamed Bush for her dad's horrible murder.

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Had Kerry, early-on, been less disingenuous about his support of the Iraq War, he'd have been swamped by Dean. Recall that Lieberman and Edwards both stood by their votes and arguments in favor of war and they got tsunamied.

Dean's whole platform was to blame everything short of the Crucifixion on Bush (he'd have done that, too, had their been sympathy for Christianity in the Democratic Party!). Had Kerry not, "Me too'd" in a less crazed fashion than Dean, he'd have been back with the other also-rans.

Now, Kerry wraps himself in the flag ("Let me tell you about my medals") as though heroism is leadership.

For a counter-example of the value of being a hero, recall that Benedict Arnold was a gravely wounded hero to the colonials right up until he jumped in bed with the British. Or Gen Wilkenson, another war hero, tried to start a new nation with Aaron Buur (though Burr denied it), in the western territories.

What I'm saying his that heroism is laudable for its occasion, but it is basicly meaningless as a predictor of leadership competency.

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Perhaps Kerry needs a codpiece encrusted flight suit.

Bush wraps himself in entire aircraft carriers. Kerry has to respond in kind.
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Old 07-28-2004, 08:15 PM
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that he went to vietnam, saw combat, didnt run and returned to publicly resist that evil american war is a super plus. its shows charactor. between vietnam and running for prez i know nothing about him, except he is not lazy.
liberal way better than right-wing (not conservative) in all ways.

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Short answer, No.

I don't know what the guy stands for, never have. Of the ten or so potential nominies he wasn't in my top three but somewhere along the lines the media said he was "electable" and idiots around the country voted for him.

That being said, I'd vote for a box of rocks if it ran against Bush. I'm still sore about the last election. No, not Florida and Gore, but the hatchet job that was pulled on McCain.

From the start it was obvious that Bush was bought and paid for. His life is nothing but a series of shady back room deals culminating in his election. He has never done one thing on his own or achieved any success by his own merit.

But I'm sure he's a heck of a nice guy.
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Old 07-28-2004, 08:22 PM
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I am sure you love him for his inner self. Don't miss Edwards tonight.
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Old 07-28-2004, 08:42 PM
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I essentially agree with your premise. But, rather than vilify Kerry for having earned the medals by implying he got them under questionable circumstances, why not just make the point you made. Your point has some validity. The attack mode, taken because Bush can't prove he was not AWOL from his National Guard unit, is only keeping the medal BS in the news. Being Kerry, and having it in the news, he would be an idiot not to try to use it to his advantage, and I think that is finally happening.

I think it is finally dawning on many that having gone to Viet Nam, twice, and been injured and having been commended for uncommon bravery under fire, then returning to the US and joining the anti-war movement that was instrumental in saving more American boys' lives by forcing an end to the war, is a significantly better record than a DWI or two, some experimentation with cocaine, and being AWOL from the National Guard. It became an issue because of how outrageous the original response by the neocons was to having a bright ligt shined on Kerry's record that made him look good, and one on Bush that made him look like an older, wealthy, juvenile delinquent.

While it is likely that being a war hero is not much of a qualification to be President, on the flip side, does just not showing up for duty in the National Guard provide any qualifications either? If anything, it seems to be a pattern - if you spend fully a third of your time on vacation as President, I guess going on vacation from the National Guard when being there did not suit you is probably not unexpected. Bush probably can't even figure out what the questions are all about. In any case, what he did in the National Guard to screw the nation pales in comparison to what he has done as President. That's what he should be booted for - he was President and failed miserably, at the cost of nearly a thousand American soldiers and $200 Billion in taxpayer's money, while squandering any international good will and respect America had.

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Old 07-28-2004, 08:56 PM
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I find it incredibly disingenuous for democrats to suggest that "war hero" is a credential for election to the presidency. This is the party that, when running Clinton, saw no problem with his lack of service.
I long for consistency--but the quest for power trumps any such idea.
Actually anyone who desires elected office should be automatically disqualified because of that desire.
Elect NO ONE!

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