War Hero?
 

There are pictures on the net of Kerry on JF Kennedy's boat when he was a young man.
We all know that Kennedy served on a PT Boat
We all know that Kerry served on a Swift Boat ( 4 months )
Kennedy's initials JFK
Kerry's initials JFK
Kennedy a senator from Mass.
Kerry a senator from Mass.
Kerry helped a sailor who fell in the water
Kennedy helped a sailor who fell in the water
Kennedy was the commander of his PT boat ( Lt, JG )
Kerry was the commander of his Swift Boat
Kennedy ran for President
Kerry is running for president
I HOPE THAT IS WHERE THE SIMILARITY ENDS!

Most of the men who commanded those swift boats had much more experience than Kerry. Indeed, a friend of mine who commanded one told me that someone high up had to help Kerry get that position. He gets 3 purple hearts for some minor injuries ( We really do not know what these injures are because Kerry refuses to release his medical records. His former CO turned him down for the first one, saying it was barely a scratch. To this day his CO does not know how Kerry went over his head and got it approved. A witness to one of the other purple hearts stated that Kerry tossed a grenade into a small civilian boat. The explosion caused a bag of rice to shoot rice twards Kerry's boat hitting him in the backside. There are many questions about the other medals too. The man he went back for in the water was NOT under enemy fire according to some of the men on that boat. Kerry leaves his men in four months and gets a cushy job working for an Admiral. Probably the same Admiral who approved all his medals. Thger admiral than releases Kerry early from the Navy so he can run for congress.
And lets not forget the 8mm pictures of Kerry coming out of the jungle in infantry clothes holding an M16 ( with no clip ). I am sure in the late 60's all the soldiers over there had 8 mm cameras.

This guy wants to talk about Vietnam because he doesn't want to discuss his 20 year record in the senate. Voting againt inteligence funding after the first Trade Center Bombing. He voted against the patriot missle, F16, F22, Stealt fighters,and practicaly every weapon system we are using today.

He was against Regan when Regan was fighting the Cold War. He was for a nuclear freeze. He supported Daniel Ortaga in Nicaragua, a devout communist. ( there are pictures to prove this in the national archives).

He accused good men in Vietnam of things he never saw and could not prove. His picture hangs in a Hanoi museum as a friend to the North Vietnamese.

GOD HELP US.

Lets look at this guy closer. By the way, pay stubs were found in Colorado that show Bush was where he said he was in Alabama.

i dont think paystubs prove much. they prove he got paid. why are all you people arguing over stuff that happened 30 yrs ago? it just seems dumb

Re: War Hero?
 

So let me get this straight man, your putting Kerry down because he had connections that he used that would help him get shot, maybe killed, saying he is somehow inferior to Bush, who had connections to land him a cushy assignment so he would not get shot? So I should vote for some duty-dodging pussy who couldn't even show up for his physical, and not vote for the guy who put his life on the line? Tell me why. Your logic escapes me.

This line is killing me:
"Kerry leaves his men in four months and gets a cushy job working for an Admiral". Your joking, right?

A few more similarities with Kennedy would be fine with me. Kennedy had the rest of the world in his palm. I lived in Europe then, believe me, there has not been an equally respected American President in Europe since Kennedy. I would agree there are a few similarities we could do without, like an assasination after he is elected. Jim

Gee, do you think Kennedy used his connections so he could captain a PT boat? I am sure that getting your back broke after being run over by a destroyer, and then swimming with a half dead buddy who was covered with third degree burns on that broken back for two days must be the cushy job Kerry was after.

You make no sense.

Very intelligent and compelling rebuttal. I am completely conviced that Kirk is full of crap now. :rolleyes:

Makes about as much sense as you telling me Kerry pulled strings to get a combat assignment, while Bush pulled strings to get an assignment captaining a beer keg in Houston, and that because of that, I should vote for Bush. I used to think like that, but then I quite smoking that ****

desertbenz,

Let us be honest and use simple words and sentences that have but one meaning. The Viet Nam war was a mistake of horrific proportions. The United States was not actually threatened by the nation of South Viet Nam becoming united, under a communist government, with North Vietnam. Leaving Viet Nam had no national security implications that threatened our security either. When it ended, all that happened is we stopped killing Vietnamese people, and they stopped killing us. That our government could not see this and got wrapped up in "Domino Theory" convulsions to justify rescuing the South Vietnamese people from the evil red tide is a telling sign of what being in Washington is all about. Consequently, Americans all over the country and abroad had to step up and make this error known. Protesting the war got kids at college campuses shot. It ruined other people's economic potential as the FBI conducted investigations which were followed by accusations or leaks designed to damage those invovled, especially anyone leading the parades. American citizens speaking their minds as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and free speech amendments of the constitution were being murdered or otherwise attacked by their government. Yet they still rose up.

All Viet Nam War protesters and and anti-war activists of the time should be memorialized in this country for the patriotic duty they undertook at great personal risk and entirely without pay. Kerry just happens to be one of them. Without these protests the war would never have been stopped when it was. Ending this war saved many American lives and brought the nation to a point where families could once again enjoy being together. There was nothing gained by our war efforts, and nothing lost but lives and resources of Americans and Vietnamese peoples.

To look back today and criticize Kerry, or anyone else, like Jane Fonda, who exposed themselves entirely voluntarily to the scorn, ridicule and at times physical violence or character attacks by our government and their "silent majority" supporters displays a lack of understanding of what was happening. You either have to believe the war in Viet Nam was doing something worth killing 50,000 plus Americans, or that leaving has done some irreparable damage to the country. Neither seems to be the case today. To exercise our right to demonstrate and protest to end such a war was legal, and by all accounts, the only reason the war ended when it did. Many of us of draft age at the time who did not serve, are grateful the protests worked. My kids are grateful. My wife, well, I think she is grateful at least most of the time. But the point is, the protests ended the war sooner than if we had all lined up and marched to the government's tune. We might still be there, although at the rate we were killing males, it is likely we would have had a female President by now .......

So, all this comes down to a few questions:

Why would anyone be angry that Kerry participated in anti-war protests that helped end the war?

Would you prefer that the war continued?

If so, for what reason? What objective was to be achieved that we failed at, that could possibly be worth another 50,000 American men's lives? Or God only knows how many Vietnamese?

If you agree the war in Viet Nam was an error, then why is it that someone who protested the war is held in such disdain today for helping end it as soon as possible?

Jim

Kerry's war protest certainly isn't held in disdain by me. I knew a lot of veterans that belonged to Vietnam Veterans Against the War. They had thousands of members. They were former soldiers who went in all gung ho, but then came back totally disgusted by the killing of Americans for nothing. Most of the disgust came from the fact the South Vietnamese offered no support to us, and provided aid and comfort to the VC, not us, the people who we were supposedly there to help. It seemed like their own lives were being wasted.

Bush I surrendered to the tax and spend liberals by raising taxes in order to secure their votes for Gulf I. It cost him reelection through total alienation of his base and of course, the libs gave him no credit for the compromise.

Had Lincoln faced a House and Senate of Democratic majority, would he have waged war against the southern states?

OTOH, I'm not sure about the Congressional make-up when the first president JFK got us into Vietnam, nor when Johnson expanded the war, nor when Nixon finally stopped it.

I think that's an open question. But I'll bet this: We would have all kinds of special prosecutors online had the Democrats complete control of Congress. I mean how could they avoid the temptation of Cheney/Halliburton, Iraq, etc? What effect would that have on prosecution of war?

B

Henry Waxman is already chomping at the bit to expose the Cheney/Haliburton perfidy, so I can only dream of what it would be like to see the Dickster frog-marched out of the oval office...drool.

The prosecution of what war--the war against Iraqi civilians? Hopefully in any case it would slow down and/or force us to retreat and never return to that shameful situation. Imperialism and hegemony must be curbed at all cost.

He's back!

...every forum needs a cranky commie to "keep it real."

And your point is, this would be bad? Actually, just the fact the cop MIGHT be on the beat keeps a lot of crime down. I suppose you missed the news stories on billions now unaccounted for given to bremer and the CPA?