Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

If only we had gone after Osama with the enthusiam we went after Sadaam with. In hindsight we sure can see which threats were real.

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I am not aware of Kerry ever contradicting that statement. Are you? If so, what specific quotes contradict that statement?

Well, good for you. And good for us that you do not run the country. Now, if we can just show W the door this November, we should be able to get back on track.

In your dreams.

Why do you think that we don't know about that stuff? You are responding to an argument that hasn't been made.

Your theories seem to council us to let those who murder us by the thousands of the hook, so we get any "misconceptions".

This is just more excuse making. Given the same set of information Bush had to work with, it is doubtful anyone but a PNAC fanatic like our president and his cronies would have executed a unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq. If Mr. Kerry had been in charge, it would have been done thru the UN - something I would have been happy with even if Bush had done it. But it is the fascist, Hitler-like unilateral invasion of an essentially weak, disarmed nation that exposes Bush and his neo-con rat pack for what they are -corporatists who did it for commercial reasons, not the public saftey. If any one of you can give me one reason how the public safety has been improved by this fiasco, I would be stunned. Meanwhile, I can give you plenty how it has made us less safe.

And I say BULL$HIT! Right now, this very moment North Korea is threatening us, and it was announced today that they are trying to develop missiles capable of hitting anywhere in the USA.

Whan are you gonna jump on the attack N> Korea bandwagon?

You guys still won't address the argument, you said that Osama made threats that were igonored. On the other hand you said that Saddam didn't make similar threats.


Please address this, you can try but you can't.

OK, I agree. I also believe the issue is similar to the drunken midget in the bar threatening to punch my lights out. Except we (the US) had enough intel to know that Saddam was essentially de-fanged and I lack the knowledge whether the midget is a black belt or not.
Now I'll digress. Do I think that Saddam was a bad man? Absolutely. What I am most angry about was the underhanded way in which we, as a country were MISLEAD into war.
If Bush had framed the argument in terms of bringing democracy to Iraq, as an exercise in nation building we, as a country could have had an intelligent debate as to whether or not the cost (in dollars and lives) would be worth it.

Actually, this debate had already been conducted and the answer, in a Congressional Resolution issued during the Clinton Administration, clearly stated the United States hated Saddam and his brutal ways, and so on, and then went on to say we are committed to supporting anyone who wants to overthrow him with any all support needed, except sending Americans to Iraq to fight the noble fight. Specific reference to this resolution is made in the Congressional Resolution authorizing military force, stating the new resolution was consistent with the old one, noting the difference being the identified threat of Iraq WMD. So, knowing this it was imperative for GWB to introduce a "deus ex machina" to enable his plan to invade Iraq. He abused the 9/11 events and the population of the United States to twist the situation into a justification to attack Saddam.

Jim

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Please address what? I wasn't aware that anyone denied that Saddam made threats. Of course he made threats, sort of like LK1's midget in the bar. What does that have to do with Osama?

If you will explain the issue that you think hasn't been addressed, I'm sure someone will try to respond. Meanwhile, you haven't responded to arguments made concerning your posts. A few posts back, I asked whether you were aware of Kerry ever contradicting his statement in 1/03 about what he believed to be the threat posed by Saddam. You got anything on that?