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Old 08-02-2004, 06:26 PM
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Perhaps you should read the US Constitution - there is a section called the "Bill of Rights". It says just what you can and cannot impose on people, moral or otherwise. Society has no absolute way of doing otherwise, as you contend. In fact, the whole purpose of the Constitution is to keep the majority from imposing a moral system on the minority that violates human rights. In the end, the law contains only those components of moral systems that we all agree on and also conform to the basic rights of man. Robbery would be among them. Abortion would not.

Laws are not "codified moral judgements" they are "compromised and adjucated moral judgements". You can codify all you want, the courts in this country get to uncodify them. Thank God. They are all we have left between us and mob rule by the dominant religion, something the USC was designed to prevent. If it wasn't for the USC, this country would be executing athiests, and probably Jews to.
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Old 08-24-2004, 09:07 PM
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Perhaps you should read the US Constitution - there is a section called the "Bill of Rights". It says just what you can and cannot impose on people, moral or otherwise. Society has no absolute way of doing otherwise, as you contend. In fact, the whole purpose of the Constitution is to keep the majority from imposing a moral system on the minority that violates human rights. In the end, the law contains only those components of moral systems that we all agree on and also conform to the basic rights of man. Robbery would be among them. Abortion would not.

Laws are not "codified moral judgements" they are "compromised and adjucated moral judgements". You can codify all you want, the courts in this country get to uncodify them. Thank God. They are all we have left between us and mob rule by the dominant religion, something the USC was designed to prevent. If it wasn't for the USC, this country would be executing athiests, and probably Jews to.
I somewhat find your argument somewhat appealing.

I agree that there is no absolute right to imposition by the majority on the minority--this is what separates us from a true democracy. What we have done in our form of government is agree that there is an ideal form of liberty, to which we have no direct access, but for which we strive. Since we do not know what true liberty is, we compromise--we allow competitive human institutions to decide those difficult problems; but we also acknowledge that, like time and tides, all things are subject to powers bejond our control.

Morals are to law what physics is to engineering. We can cannot create any manner of interaction that might conform to our peculiar expectation of reality without being considered a freaking lunatic. If consensual reality were to evolve to perfect communism or some lesser compromise, then that will become the reality to which we all will strive. If we all decide that abortion on demand is normative, then we will fiercely fight to protect that right. In the absence of absolute, there is no rule for humanity.

To assume so is to presuppose a metaphysics. Would you describe yours?

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Old 08-24-2004, 09:21 PM
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Metaphysics=hogwash
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Old 08-24-2004, 09:22 PM
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I am left to assume...what?
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Old 08-24-2004, 09:44 PM
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You asked me to describe my metaphysical system. I am one of those people who believes all metaphysics are simply hogwash. I am just trying to keep it simple.
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