First overtly political thread from the left. Is hiring Illegal Aliens Treason?

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by webwench

Illegal immigration and bank robbery are very different in that one is a violent crime that inarguably causes more harm than good, and the other is nonviolent and provides some benefits to some people.

And no, I'm not arguing in favor of illegal immigration. I was merely answering the question you posed:

"Why are the laws against hiring them not being enforced? Could it be those in the know push this concept of arresting the illegals because they know its NOT going to work? Why are all the right wing talk show guys and talking heads on Fox, etc all talking about 'illegal aliens', but never a peep about 'illegal employers'?"

Actually I just said that because it sounded like a great ironic yet acidic retorts that I love so much.

Originally Posted by KirkVining

Actually I just said that because it sounded like a great ironic yet acidic retorts that I love so much.

Ahh, I see. But I'm on good behavior and all, so I didn't recognize the witticism. I'll try harder next time

[KirkVining]

Actually, this thread is a test of how far our good behavior can go. Let's see, I've used "traitor", "treason", did I use "kook" yet? I know I've refrained from "Hitler".

[engatwork]

Who's going to harvest the
Vidalia Onions if not for the illegals?

[A264172]

Bush is not the first to chose to side with “the corporate criminals who sell out the jobs of Americans”. The borders with Mexico had been (prior to 911) dissolving for years, producing that “giant sucking sound” of NAFTA was only step along the way. It's a situation that grows worse with the pressure of Central American poverty. And now the jobs that don’t get taken by illegals here get shipped over there. It can’t be good to have a steady stream of foreigners inside the border and outside the system.

Legalizing illegals, prosecuting illegal employers, along with establishing jobs and stable governments in Mexico and Canada are all parts of stabilizing North America. Look at the EU, their not happy about everything thats happining there, but their Euro is beating our Dollar.

How many of you consider retirement to Mexico? In some ways It seems ideal but really it seems ridiculous. Who wants to live in an land of poverty and corruption? On my own street if my neighbor has a problem, it becomes my problem wether I like it or not. All the way to the Panama Canal.
Not easy like MB’s.
-Marty

[KirkVining]

Mexico, outside the little tourist enclaves, is a lawless and corrupt place. Anyone who retires there is insane. The people I know who have end up back in Texas with horror stories, or live in armed camps surrounded by people who want to kidnap and rob them, and thats just the police. If we actual did annex the place, we would have to shoot a lot of people. I think eventual union of Canada the US and Mexico is inevitable, so why not get it over with.

[MTI]

Shall we make a list of all the things that are illegal that aren't enforced?

[Hatterasguy]

KV I agree with you 100%!

I have no problem with people wanting a better life and working hard for it. The more power to them, our country was built by people like this. But I have a problem with them breaking our laws and violating my borders. I also gets to me when people want to give them "rights". You can't just get a part of the pie by jumping a fence.

Now what are your thoughts on stoping the problem KV? I am in favor of putting the military on the border to protect it. Many other countries do it why can't we? A few people might get shot but look at it this way: How many poor Mexicans die trying to cross the border. Lives might be saved in the long run.

But unfortunitly no party will touch this problem because they don't want to lose the Mexican vote. The only way the border will be fixed is if terrorists get a bomb across it.

[KirkVining]

That's why the only possible way to control them is to put a stop to the reason they come here-jobs. Going after the illegals is stupid, and those who hire them know it, so they keep pushing that because they know it cures nothing. We have to go after the employers the way we go after mobsters. If there are no jobs, they won't come in the first place.

[sfloriII]

I think any illegal alien should be deported back to their country of origin. Why have laws if they aren't enforced?

I'm also outraged when we give illegal aliens more medical treatments for free than we do our own citizens. What's up with that?

[boneheaddoctor]

Originally Posted by sfloriII

I think any illegal alien should be deported back to their country of origin. Why have laws if they aren't enforced?

I'm also outraged when we give illegal aliens more medical treatments for free than we do our own citizens. What's up with that?

I'm with you there. Kick out the illegals, if they want to come here, let them follow the rules and laws. I have no problems with legal immigrants, only the illegals.

No papers, no medical treatment, schools, assistance etc, and a quick bums rush OUT of the country.

[GermanStar]

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

No papers, no medical treatment, schools, assistance etc, and a quick bums rush OUT of the country.

They get it all here -- and they're rarely prosecuted for committing felonies.

[boneheaddoctor]

Originally Posted by GermanStar

They get it all here -- and they're rarely prosecuted for committing felonies.

Yes, and the sad fact is thats true.

[sfloriII]

My dad was an immigrant from Italy and my best friend's family immigrated from India. My girlfriend's family fled here from Vietnam in '75 and all eventually received US citizenship.

Both of them are now a US citizens and have worked diligently for years against a completely innificient system here in the US to obtain their citizenships. They work hard and have always paid their taxes.

Then they have to see all these illegals waltz into our country while they pay for their benefits.

I can understand fleeing from an oppressive or poor country to come here-- but there are legal channels to get this done. I just resent the notion that our own hard working people are many times looked over in favor of someone who walked into our country illegally.

[boneheaddoctor]

My wife is am immigrant from Italy. I went through hell getting her a green card after we were married ( I met her and married her while I was working in italy for 5 years). And that was during the time the Clintonistas were having the green card lotteries for the illegals. They come heere illegal and many got their green cards faster than my wife did. It took her 2 years and required direct intervention from a friend on the Senate appropriations commitee to have it out with the head of the INS to get action. Man was the Embassy pi$$ed off when they were told they had better justify in writing to his office every day she had to wait.

Bunch of idiots work at the INS. I think you could round up homeless people off the street and get mor competence out of them their first day on the job than the brain dead bunch that draw paychecks there.