I googled "teacher survey" and "teacher complaint survey". Most of them are specific to the problems within a particular state, but the number one complaint seemed to be "Lack of parental involvement". I also noted that surveys in the big cities seemed to always have "unruly and disruptive students" as a top problem. Both of those indicate failures in parenting. We don't really have a problem with dumb students, we have a problem with dumb parents. I consider myself lucky - my grandmother was a teacher who taught me to find joy in learning, and my mom insisted on "reading time" and heavily policed TV time in general. My Dad loved science and taught me that ignorance is the biggest sin. I am grateful to them all.

You also grew up before the integrity of the U.S. family unit was severely compromised by the rise of the two-income family...

both of my folks worked and i still love to learn and explore... but they did involve themsleves in my life... sometimes too much and sometimes not enough but still actually rearing...

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That is true - my mom never held a job when I was growing up, in fact she didn't even have a driver's license until I was in my thirties - that and the fact grandparents did not move off to Florida or Arizona when they hit 62, certainly made for a better environment for children. It is sad how all that has changed.

Where I come from we don't burn books (or witches, or lynch black people or keep slaves, well maybe a few slavs a millenia ago but I am sure no more hard feelings ), we read them.

As to going back to the original argument, your modus operandi is intellectually corrupt and morally bankrupt. As a professional debater wannabe (just a wannabe, you can never be a half decent one, you get emotionally involved which makes your argument weak and ineffective) you are clearly aware that once the “race card” is played in a debate the discussion is effectively over for it is impossible to prove the negative ie. the accused “not” being racist. But this is the method that is being used in every case when “useful fools” like yourself want to feel important. Few more names so you can google until your fingers fall off. German Communist Party (1919) was established in part by: Rosa Luxemburg, Paul Levi, Eugen Levine, Rose Levin-Meyer, Kurt Eisner, Gustav Landeauer. The German Independent Socialist Party (1917) was formed by Kurt Eisner, Karl Kautsky, Eduard Bernstein, Julius Leber, Rudolf Breitscheild and Rudolf Hilferding. All Jews except Breitscheild.

And here is some more information quoted from Jewish authors:

“With the eventual fall of Tsarist rule, the influence of Jews in the rise of Russian communism was profound. (After all, as Louis Rapoport notes, "[Karl] Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, and Eduard Bernstein [were] men of Jewish origin who laid the foundations of communism and socialism.") [RAPOPORT, L., 1990, p. 15] During the 1917 revolution, two communist factions, the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks vied for power. Leading up to the revolution, eight of the seventeen Menshevik Party central committee members were Jewish. The "entire Menshevik Party which included many Jewish members ... was politically linked with the Jewish Labor Bund [a party largely championing Jewish nationalism]." [LEVIN, N., 1988, p. 13] The head of the Menshevik Party was also Jewish, Raphael Abramovich. [RAPOPORT, L., 1990, p. 31]

Howard Sachar notes more deeply the case of Hungary where
"a free election took place in November 1945, and the communists won only 8 percent of the vote ... With the intimidating force of the Red Army behind them, the Communists turned their efforts in the next year to infiltration ... Their Soviet-trained leadership included a large majority of Jews. Although many of the commissars from the Bela Kun era in 1919 had been killed, a number of them survived in Soviet exile. These were the men who returned now in the wake of the Red Army. Their spokesman was Matyas Rakosi ... He returned at the head of a quintet of fellow Jews that included Erno Gero, who would become the communist government's economic overlord; Mihaly Farkas, its military and defense chieftain; Jozeph Revai, its cultural 'pope'; and most importantly, Gabor Peter, who would be named head of the dreaded security police." [SACHAR, H., 1985, p. 344]

Jewish pre-eminence in the new Russian regime was throughout the communist system.
As Zvi Gitelman notes:' "The idea that the Bolshevik regime was a Jewish one gained popularity because of the relatively large numbers of Jews who in 1917 suddenly rushed into governmental posts from which they had been barred under the tsars. So striking was the prominence of Jews in high places that when it was proposed that a Jewish ticket be put forth in the elections to the Constituent Assembly, Maxim Vinaver commented, 'Why do Jews need a separate ticket? Whichever party wins, we will still be the winners.'" [GITELMAN, Z., 1972, p. 114] “

"Ultimately, Benjamin Ginsberg [GINSBERG, B., 1993] alludes to the reoccurring paradigm to all this, that Jews throughout European history have sought benefit from allegiance to ruling powers -- from absolute monarchists to communist dictatorships -- which oppressed, suffocated, and even massacred non-Jewish masses. As a people who historically distanced themselves from the indigenous peoples of every land they lived and as centuries-old nemeses of the Christian order, Jews were ideally suited to function as dispassionate legislators -- and exploiters and oppressors -- over those of whom they had no bond or interest. "The Gentile population in general," says Ewa Morawska about Eastern Europe, "and the inhabitants of villages surrounding the [Jewish community] in particular, were seen by Jews primarily in instrumental terms as suppliers of ... material livelihood." [MORAWSKA, p. 15] For those many Jews who had a religious basis in their lives, traditional Judaism often served the interests of devaluing others. As consequence, Jewish communities periodically engendered the wrath -- and sometimes violence -- of the common populace."

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{Jews in Communist regimes - early USSR}

After the Revolution, among the first official acts of the victorious Bolsheviks was outlawing the pogroms and anti-Semitic movements that Russian Jews had feared for centuries. In a radical break with the Russian past, moreover, the new regime provided Jews with the opportunity to participate fully in government and society. They quickly came to play a major role in the ruling Communist party and Soviet state. Jews were among the few supporters of the Revolution with even a modicum of education and literacy {what happened to the educated people of the old regime?}. Thus, they soon assumed positions of leadership in areas requiring such skills - foreign affairs, propaganda, finance, and administration.

Three of the six members of Lenin's first Politburo - Trotsky, Kamenev, and Zinoviev - were of Jewish origin. Trotsky, in addition was commissar of defense and organized and commanded the Red Army during the civil war that followed the October Revolution. Kamenev and Zinoviev became members of the triumvirate (along with Stalin) that ruled the Soviet Union immediately after Lenin's death in 1924. Other prominent Jews in the early Soviet government included Yakov Sverdlov, president of the Communist party central committee, Maxim Litvinov, commissar for foreign affairs, and Karl Radek, who served as press commissar. In subsequent years, Jews continued to play major roles throughout the Soviet state. Lazar Kaganovich, for example, was one of Stalin's chief aides, commissar of heavy industry during the Second World War, and a member of the Politburo.

If the distinctive contribution of Jews to the absolutist state was in the realm of finance, and their singular role in liberal regimes was the mobilization of opinion, the special contribution of the Jews to the Bolshevik state involved the organization of coercion. From the

{p. 31} beginning, the Soviet state relied heavily upon military, police, and security services to sustain itself, and Jews were active in these agencies. Like Sikhs and Gurkhas in British India, Jews had traditionally been at the margins of Russian society and, hence, prepared to staff and direct the coercive instruments upon which the state relied to control its citizens.

During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews were a major element in the secret police and other Soviet security forces. Genrikh Yagoda, for instance, served as chief of the secret police during the 1930s. Yagoda had been a pharmacist before the Revolution and specialized in preparing poisons for his agents to use in liquidating Stalin's opponents. Other high-ranking Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali Frenkel who helped to expand and institutionalize the slave labor system. Slave laborers working under Frenkel's supervision built the White-Sea Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as 200,000 workers perished while completing this project. Another Jewish security officer, K. V. Pauker, served as chief of operations of the secret police in the 1930s. Lev Inzhir was chief accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the special secret police department that conducted the purges of the 1930s. In what came to be called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass arrests, trials, and executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish secret policemen, A. A. Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of Soviet terror and espionage abroad during the 1930s. Jews were also important in the Red Army. In addition to Trotsky, prominent Jewish generals included Yona Yakir, who was a member of the Communist party central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil war hero and commander of the Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the defense of Moscow during the Second World War.
{Jews in communist regimes - the Stalinist period}

Stalinist Russia is a notable example of a regime that had been closely identified with Jews, whose non-Jewish leadership turned to anti-Semitism to deflect opposition, subordinate its Jewish allies, and forge new alliances that would help it to consolidate its power. As we saw earlier, in the aftermath of the Bolshevik revolution, Jews played an extremely prominent role in the Soviet regime. During the struggles that followed Lenin's death in 1924, however, anti-Semitic appeals to the Communist Party's rank and file were among the weapons used by Stalin to defeat Trotsky, Zinoviev, and Kamenev and seize the party's leadership.

{Stalin being the only non-Jew among them; but since Marx's theory did not mention that Jews would rule under Communism, Stalin might be more true to Marx - were the others really Zionists of a sort? In 1946, the Baruch Plan for World Government was presented to Stalin, drafted by American Jews. Might a Jewish-led USSR have accepted such a plan? Terrible though Stalin was, he foiled one of the most dangerous plots in history}

Benjamin Ginsberg, a prominent Jewish intellectual, is Professor of Political Science at John Hopkins University

Who are you calling a liar?

Alex

Your basic premise went like this: Why should we feel sorry for six million dead Jews, Stalin and his Jewish Communist party killed twenty million, so WTF? For proof you give the fact that some communists were Jewish. For sources, you have posted various Holocaust deniers and other nuts. The whole discussion with you is ridiculous at this point.

Anyone with half a brain can see the march of communism over the century originated in Christianity and its various sects. In the 19th Century the idea was heavily intellectualized by Hegel and Marx, and that is why it attracted as leaders intellectuals of all stripes, many of which just happened to be Jewish. Because you reached a conclusion and then applied evidence to support it after, you seem to have missed the fact that communism was a world-wide movement, and this same process of attracting intellectuals in these societies took place all over the world. But you claim Communism is a "Jewish conspiracy". You seem to offer us the idiotic idea that Mao Tse Tung was reading the Torah.

Your real purpose is the same one anti-Semetic Europeans have engaged in for centuries - to incite hatred of Jews by identifying them with the Devil, Communism, infantacide and whatever else you can think up that helps you convince others they are evil. I hope you recover from your mental illness before you hurt someone.

Why make communism the scapegoat? Since when did it become so evil? Communism has alot to offer but fails to take into account natural human nature (selfishness). Plus small minds often associate communism with the USSR, which was simply a communistic facade.

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Great, now we have a commie to go with the nazi. You two fight it out from here, OK?

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Bingo!

So this guys problem was NOT on too many acid trips after all. He's a commie lover.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Oh, Right........all Stalin wanted to be was Rabi or Pope..........he was just misunderstood........bwaaaaahahahahaha.....

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Dude, I have no idea what the **** it is you are even talking about anymore.

Um...I wasn't the one blaming Communism on Christians.........or Jews.......
Since communism is basicly an athiest thing.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Dude, the Apostles were a communist sect and Jesus was essentially a communist. Go sell all your worldly goods, give them to the poor, and get back to me.

Ummm, not really........big difference from communism from what they taught.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche