I'm sure if the cost goes that high, it will change around or they will find something that will cost less.

I have seen the gas/electric hybrid and I am not impressed. Yes, the mileage is better but the car is smaller and doesn't have much in acceleration. If they can process WVO commercially and make it have the same properties as diesel, I'd go for it. However, if I had to run a heater to the tank or run 2 tanks and remember to switch over, etc, etc, I probably won't and I suspect, many won't either.

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He may well be right. I doubt it. bear in mind that I'm a botanist, not a geologist.

When oil depletion is computed what they usually mean is what can be extracted now, based on what we know of proven reserves, extraction and refining techniques as applied to demand. If you break that down into its component parts you soon notice that it gets really complicated really quickly.

Take 'proven reserves'. This is the oil fields that are currently in production. What about unproven reserves? These would be geologic formations likely to hold oil (at some probability level) but not yet producing. Care to make a guess about the extent of the unproven planetary reserves?

Extraction techniques. Some fields believed depleted are still in production (or brought back into production) because petroleum engineering advances with each graduating class of bold men and women. Care to assign a probability that the proven reserves will be depleted based on FUTURE innovations?

Refining techniques. Much of that asphalt you drive on is is hydrocarbon deemed unrefineable. But petroleum engineers and organic chemists are constantly (PAID!!!) to find new and better ways to crack and refine increasingly complex hydrocarbons into slabale commodities. care to guess what the limits of human chemical enginuity is?

Etc.

Its eally a deeply complicated set of guesses that change evry year in gov and much mor efrequently in industry.

Ballpark it. In 2005 constant dollars, what will a gallon of 92 octane cost in 5, 10, 20 years?


$2.5

$4

$10


IE, I don't think the rate of change in fuel cost will be linear over the next 20 years. I think it will be exponential. I think between 20 and 30 years the rate of increase is unpredictable. What should we do NOW?

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Think folks will start fuel cooperatives any time soon?

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How will it help? IE, what can it do that isn't being done?

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Maybe lower cost but mostly circumvent rationing - providing, of course, the co-op keeps sufficient reserves...

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If they are small, I doubt it will do much. If they get large, what would the difference between them and Mobil, BP, etc, etc be?

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[QUOTE=aklim]I'm sure if the cost goes that high, it will change around or they will find something that will cost less.
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It's not like you can take a billion cars for example, and decide that gas is too expensive, then start using water for fuel.

You are limited in what can be used to make your car move, heat your home, etc....

It's wishful thinking to believe that you can just sit around while oil gets scarce or very expensive, then expect that there is an affordable alternative on a planetary scale.

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It would depend on the pockets of the co-op members. If someone used, say 1000 gallons of fuel per year, get a group of 10 folks together with similar needs and buy 12,000 gallons of fuel. The group would only need to buy once per 14 months or so. The fuel in reserve would permit them to avoid any rationing.

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I know a man that was convinced that all hell was gonna be loosed on humanity, come Y2K. He bought 1,000 gal of diesel, land in the Ozarks, reloading supplies, etc.

He used the fuel over time and has a really nice cabin.

I called a local fuel tank manufacturer yesterday and found the following

Buried and double walled fuel tanks

500 gallon $1,000
1000 gallon $3,000
5000 gallon $8,000

Still have to call the fuel delivery folks

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If you look at a graph of the oil extracted from a given oil field over the life of the field it looks like a flattened bell curve. When you get on the back side of the curve it is more difficult and expensive to extract oil as you go.

World oil consumption and competition for oil resources will likely skyrocket as Asia is industrialized. Either the globalists have a plan to accommodate or they are leading us into some scary circumstances.

True. However, oil is not goingfrom $30 a barrel today to $500 tomorrow. It will get more and more expensive to extract and the price will go up slowly, adjusted for inflation and it will tend towardsa a point where people will slowly switch over.

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