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Old 06-14-2005, 03:39 PM
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Old 06-16-2005, 01:14 AM
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:46 AM
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About what, in particular? I am unfamiliar with Marx in general and had no idea he had promoted some sort of educational program.
About the gap widening between the haves and the have-nots....and the disappearance of the have-somes.

All of the worthwhile education (and education dollars) is going to the rich. We get the leftovers.
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Old 06-16-2005, 08:13 AM
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About the gap widening between the haves and the have-nots....and the disappearance of the have-somes.

All of the worthwhile education (and education dollars) is going to the rich. We get the leftovers.
In my community, allocation of funds by the school board to the school is based on two things (primarily) racial distribution and free lunch distribution. If a school has a large minority and/or large free lunch population they get significantly larger share of the budget, per student than a school that is largely white and has a low proportion of free lunches.

This supports your argument of communism since obviously, money is taken from those who have the greatest ability to provide money and redistributed to those who have the greatest need. Classic communist philosophy implemented at the community level. Is that what you meant?

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Excerpts from an article in the Times

UW will charge about $5,100 for in-state undergraduates this fall. "Going to $10,000 may not be a crazy thing to do over a period of time," UW President Mark Emmert said recently.

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The University of Washington has complained for years that the amount of money it gets per student is falling behind competing research institutions nationally, and that the quality of education it offers is at risk. UW is the state's flagship institution and remains one of the top research universities in the nation. Last year, the university spent $16,283 per full-time student, a figure that includes both graduate and undergraduate students.


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Old 06-17-2005, 06:38 PM
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In my community, allocation of funds by the school board to the school is based on two things (primarily) racial distribution and free lunch distribution. If a school has a large minority and/or large free lunch population they get significantly larger share of the budget, per student than a school that is largely white and has a low proportion of free lunches.

This supports your argument of communism since obviously, money is taken from those who have the greatest ability to provide money and redistributed to those who have the greatest need. Classic communist philosophy implemented at the community level. Is that what you meant?

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Marxist philosophy and communism are two different things.


More like the rich kids going to the private schools and the poor kids stuck in the public schools.
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:36 PM
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Marxist philosophy and communism are two different things.


More like the rich kids going to the private schools and the poor kids stuck in the public schools.
I thought Marx was a communist, at least he wrote a book about it. How do you differentiate Marxism from communism?

In my locale, the Catholic Church heavily subsidizes parochial schools for poor African-American Catholic children so that their parochial schools maintain about 15:85 B:W. Our general population is about 30:70 B:W. They also give a price advantage to anybody whose family are confirmed Catholic and regularly attends the church associated with the school. Also, if a Catholic family has several kids in school they get a price break. Non-Catholics pay very high tuition which basicly subsidizes the poor Catholic kids (black and white).

The other parochial schools are Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Baptist, and various non-denominational schools. The Episcopalian and Presbyterian schools offer scholarships for low income African-American kids so that there are at least a few. They have no target ratio that I've ever heard of. No price breaks for their denominations. They have extremely high tuition and waiting lists. They are small school populations. The other churches are inconsequentially small. There are no non-sectarian private schools in this area.

I believe the public school population is around 40-50K. The Catholic school population is about 20K or so. All other parochial schools combined probably don't have more than 3-4K.
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:45 AM
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About the gap widening between the haves and the have-nots....and the disappearance of the have-somes.

All of the worthwhile education (and education dollars) is going to the rich. We get the leftovers.
I'm afraid you are laboring under the assumption that education and education dollars are some sort of public stream and that somehow the rich are unfairly divirting a larger share of the stream into their own buckets so to speak. A good education costs a lot of money because the teachers and infrastructure that form a good education are worth a lot of money. If it were not for the government mandate that an education be provided for all citizens and colleges buying into the idea of merit then all education, not just the best education, would go to those willing and able to pay for it. Most universities use a need blind policy i.e. your wealth is ignored directly. Instead they focus on grades, difficulty of previous coursework, relevancy of previous coursework, race, whether a student has parents that have either been alumni and/or benefited the school. So the only way that I can think of that someone would get the "leftovers" as you refer to them would be if they were not competitive. These sort of "we the universally taken advantage of" popular appeals don't really work in a society filled with hopeful people. Maybe if we enter a depression it might work but right now it's a losing ticket (earth to the democrats).
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The woman who called the prof and announced that she was an Attorney, obviously was the recipient of grade inflation in her Legal Ethics class, or failed it outright.

Legal Ethics, an Oxymoron.

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