Comments on the Michael Jackson Verdict...
 

Ok since I couldn't close just the poll when the verdict came in and lots were voting knowing the outcome I closed the thread and opened this one for you fellow members to comment on the verdict.

For me I think he got off becasue he was famous and still has more money than many....But thats my opinion....

I expect a Civil suit to be following as in the OJ case.....

Your opinions now...

We hate it but it's over, so lets get over it.....like we did the Clinton administration. :eek:

Lets hope he keeps his promise to go to Europe and anyone who lets their kids near him are guilty of being a ****** moron.

Martha Clarke put it best:

Any normal Joe Blowe needs to be convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt".

However, if you are a celebrity with the status of Michael Jackson, the jury raises the burden of proof to "beyond any shadow of doubt".

Pretty difficult to convict anyone under this burden.

Some of us will be railing against Clinton when we are 80 years of age (another 36 years if anybody is counting). :rolleyes:

Unfortunatly Joe Blow is usually convicted by the "He probably did it" standard. This was closer to beyond a reasonable doubt.

Lets face it, what evidence did they bring? The testimony of a child who was discredited and his mom who has lied under oath before. Would you want to go to jail on that evidence? No physical evidence, no Docs, no witnesses. There is reasonable doubt all over this case.

He had porn in his house? So what. It wasn't even kiddy porn. Just run of the mill stuff. Anyone here up for a quick check of your hard drive?

Yeah he's a freak, but that's not illegal.

Well, like Jackson, the Bush administration can do no wrong! :mad:

That's heartbreaking, I can't imagine waht her parents are going through :(

You can start a new thread about what that girl was doing on her own at her age in Aruba.....this one is on Micheal Jackson....

There were no heroes in this case; only sad, pathetic human beings.
The prosecuor with dreams of making a name for himself.
The boy and particularly his mom with visions of $$$$$$$
Michael jackson---what can I say about him? pathetic!

Koop, you make a good point here.

Tell me, why, if the evidence was so weak, did the prosecution have a giant celebration while the jury was out? Are these guys that stupid or that arrogant?

I was under the assumption that you never attempt to second guess a jury. Their behavior, to me, was simply amazing.

They mocked the trial gods and were punished. Arrogant and stupid are two good adjectives. I've sweated out a bunch of juries and you never, never anger the trial gods by even whispering that the jury might possibly find for you.

Longest I've ever had a jury out was three days. Freaking torture (we won) but I never ever said we would win. You can briefly consider the possiblility that you might win, but give voice to thought and your screwed.

Lot of people do care about this guy....no normal guy WANTS to sleep in a bed with 12 year old boys....hell thats not normal. Whats sick is the number of parents who never thought anything wrong to leave their kids with soemone like that.

Totally different issue than the missing girl.....which I agree is a sad issue.

Well, let's see. He's innocent, yet the last time this crap happened he paid millions to shut them up. I have a problem with that.

As for the Clinton Administration comment. I would be very happy to have years that again. There wouldn't be as many kids worrying about being killed while they guard an oil truck or pipeline. :pukeface:

:)

No you would be worried about terrorists setting off bombs here on the streets instead.

And before you say it never happened before....think back to the first WTC bombing.......that was Al Queda.

:bsflag:

NO I would not be worried in the least about that. And actually the first WTC incident wasn't even close. We didn't have much intelligence that it was going happen. I won't go into what we knew and didn't know about 9/11.

Oh..Clinton dropped the ball bigtime casueing 9/11 to happen....I've posted pages of proof on that in this thread......

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=125548

so did shrub vd

as to whacko: i really thought they'd get him on the alcohol charges (the minor ones) because he did that but as to the rest i sure didn't think he did it.. he maybe messed up but i really don't think he is a molester... peter pan, maybe..

I just hope he learnt his leason. He needs to stay away from these kids (get a doll or something) and especially stay away from their freaky parents.

Well put.

Jackson is a freak. Ultra-fame pushed him over the edge long ago. If we ignore him he'll just go away, like crabs.

Read that thread...Bush was not passed on ANY info about Alqueda from Clintons people when he took office.


You can bury your head in the sand but you can't hide those facts.

The Beef is there....9/11 was predominantly Clintons fault.

Boy's ma KO'd case

'Don't snap your fingers at me, lady,' said Juror No. 5

BY BILL HUTCHINSON
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Jurors speak with the media yesterday but identified themselves only by number at the Santa Barbara County courthouse in Santa Maria, Calif.
The Michael Jackson jury said the prosecution's molestation case was tainted by the mother of the pop star's accuser, whom they found annoying - and a likely scam artist.

It was hard to give the mom the benefit of the doubt when the defense blasted her as a liar and a thief, jurors said, and her behavior on the stand did little to win their sympathies.

"I disliked it intently when she snapped her fingers at us," said Juror No. 5, a 79-year-old great- grandmother.

"That's when I thought, 'Don't snap your fingers at me, lady.' "

The judge ordered that the jurors' names be sealed, and except for a few, most asked to be identified only by number. Juror No. 1, who identified himself as Raymond Hultman, 62, a civil engineer, said he was initially leaning toward conviction, but changed his mind during the deliberations.

"I feel that Michael Jackson has probably molested boys," Hultman said on CNN. "To be in your bedroom for 365 straight days and not do something more than just watch television and eat popcorn, that doesn't make sense to me.

But that doesn't make him guilty of the charges that were presented."

Most jurors believed the accuser's mother took advantage of previous sex abuse allegations against Jackson, and put her son up to lying.

Juror No. 10, an unemployed mother, said the accuser's mom left her stunned at times.

"What mother in her right mind would allow that to happen?" she said. "Just freely volunteer your child to sleep with someone. Not so much just Michael Jackson but any person for that matter. That's something that mothers are naturally concerned with."

Juror No. 8, a 42-year-old special-education aide, said she actually felt sorry for the accuser, a cancer survivor who claimed Jackson molested him in 2003.

She said it was obvious the boy's mother did not instill good values in her children.

"As a mother, the values and stuff she has taught them and they have learned is very hard to comprehend," she said. "I wouldn't want any of my children to lie for their own gain."

She also said the long trial made Jackson, who came to court in makeup and outlandish clothes, seem more "normal."

"Even though he is a superstar, he's a human," said Juror No. 8. "Watching him during this trial, to me he's just a normal person. It made him real."

Juror No. 3, a 50-year-old horse trader, said all the defense evidence that showed the mother to be a welfare cheat and scam artist stayed in her mind.

"You couldn't help but wonder," she said. "Things just didn't add up."

Juror No. 4, a 51-year-old ex-high school math teacher, said she didn't like the way the accuser's mother looked at the jury.

"I was very uncomfortable with that," the woman said. "She didn't take her eyes off us. So that was a very uncomfortable feeling."

Jury foreman Paul Rodriguez, 63, a retired school counselor, said he was put off when the mom, who is also Hispanic, singled him out.

"The mother when she looked at me and snapped her fingers three times and she says, 'You know how our culture is?' and winks at me. No, that's not the way our culture is."

The family's different stories also didn't help. "They didn't have the same story," Rodriguez said, adding that it appeared the boy was "taught to lie."

The jurors insisted they closely examined all of the evidence during the 32 hours they deliberated over six days.

"You're hoping that you can find a smoking gun . . . and in this case we had difficulty finding that," Hultman said. Several jurors insisted Jackson's celebrity status didn't play into their deliberations. "We decided to look at him just like any other individual, not just as a celebrity," Rodriguez said.

He also said the stash of pornography found in Jackson's home and allegations that he slept with young boys was troubling, but not solid evidence that it added up to molestation.

"Those are adult magazines and anyone can own them," the foreman said. "It doesn't prove the charge."

He also had a tip for the pop star: "We would hope he doesn't sleep with children anymore."

Are you hijacking your own thread with this crap?

Let me help you the first step is admitting you have a problem.

If you can go one whole day without typing the following words we can take it one day at a time from there....

Clinton

DNC

Sudan

Monica

Hillary

Dirty wellfare cheats

Offered up

Propeganda

Osama

unshorn antiwar demonstrators

Bill

Ted Kennedy

Tree hugger

Forest finger-banger.....


Be strong BHD, we are here for you.

Hey....I'm not the one who introduced the subject.....

I presented news reports substantiating every bit of the evidence in the sticky thread I referenced....in fact the sticky is still there....its the liberals who chose to ignore the truth...much like the Michael Jackson fan club.

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Like his boys...
12 years old and full of coke.

Thats a good one....

Isn't that the truth.

The whole thing was a joke. The state had a crap case, especially with that woman.

I saw an interview with a juror, she said she was offended when the Mom "snapped at her". She said she thought, "You don't snap at me young lady." That said it all to me.

The mother's actions clouded the judgement of the jury. There really was no good evidence to hang ole MJ on either. (Although I originally doubted the accusers in the 90's, I have come to believe that he probably is a molestor over time.)

What a waste of time and money.

Michael Jackson's defense lawyers have made a motion to prevent a former Jackson employee from testifying about an incident that took place about ten years ago in which the pop star allegedly asked for Vaseline while sharing his room with a young boy. The boy later received a multimillion dollar settlement from Jackson in 1994.

The employee, Kassim Abdool, indicated that he 'saw wet swimming trunks on a floor, witnessed a brief hug between Mr. Jackson and (the boy) and ... was asked to bring Vaseline to Mr. Jackson's bedroom.'

Abdool was one of several employees who unsuccessfully sued Jackson for wrongful termination in 1997. He was ordered to pay damages to the pop star as part of a countersuit launched by Jackson.

According to Jackson's lawyers, Abdool's testimony is 'precisely the kind of inflammatory evidence that is more prejudicial than probative,' and asked that it not be allowed.

The prosecution contends that Abdool's testimony bolsters the credibility of Jackson's alleged victim by showing a pattern of improper behavior by the pop star around young boys.

A decision is expected sometime Thursday or Friday from Judge Rodney S. Melville.


This witness was not allowed to testify, apparently when he delivered the Vasoline MJ was in Pajama pants and was "aroused" and a boy was sitting on his bed in his underwear.

What is MJ favorite group?
Boyz to Men

Why was MJ with the Catholic Priests at the K-Mart?
Because they heard the boy's pants were half off

I don't think it's too mature to make jokes about children that get ass raped by wacko.

We should be ashamed as a society that we allow this freak to walk the streets. He may have been found legally not guilty but if you read the jury statements many of them still think he did it.

But "think he did it" is not the burden of proof.

If that's the way the jury saw it, then they deserve credit for honoring their oath to apply the law to the evidence. There is nothing to be ashamed about, unless the prosecution was incompetent. Our willingness to acquit people who are probably guilty is one of the best things about this country. That the state can't lock up a suspect until it proves its case beyond a reasonable doubt, as determined by a jury selected from a cross section of the community, is a pretty amazing thing. IMHO.

Very good captain obvious. Read the post again sloooooowwwwly.

The prosecution picked the wrong bird to hunt, they've been waiting they should have waited a little longer.

I love you guys with your innocent till proven guilty BS, Bush never had a trial but you guys sure as hell call him guilty. It's an opinion and people are entitled to them even if they are different than your own I could give a rats ass what his legal status is.

................a little touchy today, aren't we? :P

Funny how the lefties seem to be judge, Jury and exicutioner when it come to republican politicians.....

Now if you can apply your standards to everyone and get the clowns you have running the DNC to do the same then we might get back to having some civility in politics.

Nothing Personal DCulkin....that was meant as a general comment.

Jesse Jackson and Hillary Clinton had a one-off affair, the result is Michael Jackson.

Bingo......thats what will explain it.......

Tom Delay is guilty and he ought to be hung at sunrise. :P

Just as Guilty as Hillary is....

........hey, look at that.......we agree on something other than diesels. :D

OK I read it again slowly. Now please explain it to me. What does it matter if they think he did it? Why should we be ashamed as a society that he is walking the streets? Are you going to get your coon skin cap and your black powder rifle and do something about it you big toughie you?

Everyone else figured it out, I don't expect that much from you so just let it pass.

[QUOTE=narwhal]It wouldn't be so bad if just pulled his own shenanigan, but he was pulling little boy's shinanigans, too.

He got it....go figure :deal2:

Ok I'll throw my 2 cents

I don't think he did what they accused him of.

Following the jury, he is weird, really weird, really really weird.

I don't think he did anything more than 2 ten year olds playing. He has never grown up.

Personally, If I were on the jury I would have found them guilty. The parents of the kid(s) that is, he has been accused of this once before and you let your kids stay there. There are only 2 reasons, Money or neglect(not the right word, but I think you understand). Okay 3rd reason, they are so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

Although I have no faith in the legal system, and tend too agree you or I would have been shot then beat.

An example here in Chicago, 2 sisters - Daughters of Minn Attorney general (?) got into it with the cops at a bar. One smacked a cop and knocked his glasses off, she also busted up a squad. Several cops, and numerous employees of the bar verified the police version. Needless to say they claimed to be perfect angels.

The judges rulling, there were no "independent" witnesses ???

Ok next time I get pulled over for speeding, I will tell the judge I wasn't. Wanna bet she takes the cops opinion.

prophetic?
 

They told him don't you ever come around here
Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear
The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
So beat it, just beat it

You better run, you better do what you can
Don't wanna see no blood, don't be a macho man
You wanna be tough, better do what you can
So beat it, but you wanna be bad

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it

They're out to get you, better leave while you can
Don't wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man
You wanna stay alive, better do what you can
So beat it, just beat it

You have to show them that you're really not scared
You're playin' with your life, this ain't no truth or dare
They'll kick you, then they beat you,
Then they'll tell you it's fair
So beat it, but you wanna be bad

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
Just beat it, beat it
Beat it, beat it, beat it

Beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or who's right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
Just beat it, beat it
Beat it, beat it, beat it

Beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or who's right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Just beat it, beat it
Beat it, beat it, beat it
:dj: :bowrofl:

you type all that...........
 

............from scratch??????? :D

Again, what does it matter if the jury thought he did it if they didn't think he did it beyond a reasonable doubt. Are you proposing a second jury poll after they aquit and if they think it was more likely than not he did it we should all shun him? Should we turn our backs when he walks by or maybe cast him from the village.

Ashamed of our society? Are you kidding? There are so many better reasons to be ashamed in this society than the fact that there are some dopes running around outside a courthouse in CA. The whole thing is a farce, an amusing farce but of no real import.

But keep up the false moral outrage for another couple days. It looks good on you.

I'm sure jurys have convicted many of your innocent clients and I'm sure you've got a guilty drunk or two off the hook.

I never said anything about the decision the jury made and don't care whether he's acquitted, I don't care if he goes to Alcatraz, Neverland, Your House or The Bahama's. I'm only making the point that we let a known pedophile walk the street. I'm not questioning the Jury I'm questioning the kooks that love this guy.


BTW: You spelled Acquit wrong........and again no suprises.

I'm going to to what the judges do and ignore this guy CLICK