A Short History of America - R. Crumb - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

cmac2012 · #1 07-13-2005, 05:33 AM

With apologies to R. Crumb for the less than optimal copy of this piece...

H2O2 · #2 07-13-2005, 10:29 AM

Hey, I live in Ecotopia! But that particular visionary solution seems to have eluded us up to this point.

boneheaddoctor · #3 07-13-2005, 10:38 AM

where does ECOTOPIA grow its food? it surely isn't coming in on bicycles...and going back to 19th century methods you would be working most of the day to grow enough food to eat much less sell.

H2O2 · #4 07-13-2005, 11:15 AM

We have shares in a CSA (community sustained agriculture) which resides on 5 acres a half mile from here, though there are dozens of other local farms offering similar deals. At least during the growing season (May-Oct) we are provided with a large box of produce that meets or exceeds our family's weekly requirements--not the only "solution", but proof that communities can and should be attempting to self-generate a portion of their food stuffs. Incidentally, our CSA has been in biz for twenty years as a women owned, run and operated farm. They don't have a single tractor or other mechanized implements except for a BCS walk-behind rototiller.

H2O2 · #5 07-13-2005, 11:40 AM

It's on 11th Ave., just South of the College--between Overhulse and Kaiser Rds. It sticks out like a sore thumb these days, though when I was a teenager this area was still primarily rural, but the attack of the cookie-cutter developments have laid waste to that bucolic dream.

boneheaddoctor · #6 07-13-2005, 12:04 PM

count on a major famine getting rid of about 75% of the worlds population before Ecotopia could work...

H2O2 · #7 07-13-2005, 12:27 PM

It's a drawing man, just a drawing.

boneheaddoctor · #8 07-13-2005, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O2

It's a drawing man, just a drawing.

To us it is.....there are some people who advocate that sort of thing however.

elau · #9 07-13-2005, 03:44 PM

Hey, need help to get Ecotopia from Mapquest. Anyone?

cmac2012 · #10 07-13-2005, 04:59 PM

Boner bone, you missed the part where I said everyone MUST NOW ABANDON THEIR HOMES AND HEAD TO THE FIELDS!!

No, but hey, of course we are not going to turn on a dime but changes are happenin' and will NEED to continue happening, cuzzin' we are gradually destroying topsoil and depleting water resources world wide, cousin.

Numerous studies indicate pretty reliably that small, labor intensive ag is much kinder to the soil than big, High tech ag. No, Botnst, I don't want to switch to near starvation style subsistance ag and be at the mercy of the merciless elements day after tomorrow and that's not going to happen.

OTOH, we have this delusion in the west that we can bail out starving peoples in Africa and elsewhere with our ag abundance -- question is, who's going to bail us out when the un-composted manure hits the fan?

Lebenz · #11 07-13-2005, 06:16 PM

A long time ago came a man on a track
Walking thirty miles with a pack on his back
And he put down his load where he thought it was the best
Made a home in the wilderness
He built a cabin and a winter store
And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore
And the other travellers came riding down the track
And they never went further, no, they never went back
Then came the churches then came the schools
Then came the lawyers then came the rules
Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads
And the dirty old track was the telegraph road

Then came the mines - then came the ore
Then there was the hard times then there was a war
Telegraph sang a song about the world outside
Telegraph road got so deep and so wide
Like a rolling river. . .

And my radio says tonight it’s gonna freeze
People driving home from the factories
There’s six lanes of traffic
Three lanes moving slow. . .

I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there’s no work here to be found
Yes and they say we’re gonna have to pay what’s owed
We’re gonna have to reap from some seed that’s been sowed
And the birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
All the way down the telegraph road

You know I’d sooner forget but I remember those nights
When life was just a bet on a race between the lights
You had your head on my shoulder you had your hand in my hair
Now you act a little colder like you don’t seem to care
But believe in me baby and I’ll take you away
From out of this darkness and into the day
From these rivers of headlights these rivers of rain
From the anger that lives on the streets with these names
’cos I’ve run every red light on memory lane
I’ve seen desperation explode into flames
And I don’t want to see it again. . .

>from all of these signs saying sorry but we’re closed
All the way down the telegraph road

--Mark Knopfler

boneheaddoctor · #12 07-13-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Boner bone, you missed the part where I said everyone MUST NOW ABANDON THEIR HOMES AND HEAD TO THE FIELDS!!

No, but hey, of course we are not going to turn on a dime but changes are happenin' and will NEED to continue happening, cuzzin' we are gradually destroying topsoil and depleting water resources world wide, cousin.

Numerous studies indicate pretty reliably that small, labor intensive ag is much kinder to the soil than big, High tech ag. No, Botnst, I don't want to switch to near starvation style subsistance ag and be at the mercy of the merciless elements day after tomorrow and that's not going to happen.

OTOH, we have this delusion in the west that we can bail out starving peoples in Africa and elsewhere with our ag abundance -- question is, who's going to bail us out when the un-composted manure hits the fan?

Oh...but small laor intensive AG will result in mass starvation of the lazy masses...

without heavily mechanised ag there will not be food surplusses....but huge famines and the only people eating will be the farmers and the very wealthy...

Carleton Hughes · #13 07-13-2005, 07:28 PM

McMansions going up everywhere,these pasteboard palaces with counterfeit chimneys and plastic siding.

When this nonsense started,say 10 years ago my wife and I had been casting envious glances at the 2 acre lot backing our property,lovely unspoiled woodland with a small pond and much wildlife.

For years my Mother had tried to purchase this property from the ferret-eyed absentee owner with no result.

Well,the owner died as we all must and I approached his son,he told me what local developers had offered and added that if I topped that he would sell me the land.

It all worked out so now the birds,raccoons,pheasants and other wildlife can rest easy,we just felled 1/8 acre of trees around the pond for some sun to nourish a few perrenials,love to sit there with a gin and tonic when I get home.

mikemover · #14 07-14-2005, 01:50 AM

cmac,

You're an R. Crumb fan?....

Are you familiar with Skip Williamson? He was a friend and contemporary of R. Crumb, and their styles and political/social commentary were often similar.

www.skipwilliamson.com

He lives in Atlanta now, and has become a good friend of mine. I have several of his paintings hanging in my loft.

Mike

cmac2012 · #15 07-14-2005, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

McMansions going up everywhere,these pasteboard palaces with counterfeit chimneys and plastic siding.

When this nonsense started,say 10 years ago my wife and I had been casting envious glances at the 2 acre lot backing our property,lovely unspoiled woodland with a small pond and much wildlife.

For years my Mother had tried to purchase this property from the ferret-eyed absentee owner with no result.

Well,the owner died as we all must and I approached his son,he told me what local developers had offered and added that if I topped that he would sell me the land.

It all worked out so now the birds,raccoons,pheasants and other wildlife can rest easy,we just felled 1/8 acre of trees around the pond for some sun to nourish a few perrenials,love to sit there with a gin and tonic when I get home.

Jeez man, ya had me worried for a minute there. I thought the son of absentee landlord was going to want umpteen million like the shopping center developer had offered.

But....whew, a happy ending. May we see many more in our days.

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