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#16 09-10-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kamil

I like Bush and I like some of his ideas.

Before anybody says anything let me say it myself....I know I know I am arrogant, ignorant, spoiled, so called racist etc.

You left one out, GREEDY!

Greed = Me = Selfish. A fundamental inGREEDient within all republicans!

Brian Carlton · #17 09-10-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kamil

Why should the upper class or the upper middle class work very hard to provide free handouts to the poor. The poor people have ten fingers and ten toes which makes them capable of working. Bush has been cutting back on the FREE HANDOUT programs from what I have read.

Like someone said above: "It's survival of the fittest"

..........that's right..........I said it..........let the infirm, mentally deficient, poor, and old people starve to death. Who needs 'em anyway.

It's survival of the fittest. If you can't earn enough money to survive in this country, well than that's just tough $hit. Nobody earning a decent wage with a comfortable house and a large $hitbox in the driveway and a boat and four weeks of vacation should have to pay a dime to support these people.

I am a Rebublican Conservative and I'm proud of it.

Botnst · #18 09-10-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mzsmbs

you must be off your rocker there bud if you think stalin was left.

He said he was. Collectivised farms and factories and all. And they killed-off the aristocracy and destroyed the middleclass, always a good thing in creating a truly socialist, classless society.

The American left adored the USSR until after Stalin died and the truth of his governance, and the perfidity of the American left and especially the NY Times, were revealed.

Now the American left tries to change its own history. That's fine with me, go for it. The more the leftists ignore their own history, the more they will damn themselves to repeat it.

And of course, the other late great leftists of the past century who collectivised lives, lets not forget Mao and Pol Pot. You gotta love those guys, sacrificing lives for the greater good of humanity.

Bot

#19 09-10-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

He said he was. Collectivised farms and factories and all. And they killed-off the aristocracy and destroyed the middleclass, always a good thing in creating a truly socialist, classless society.

The American left adored the USSR until after Stalin died and the truth of his governance, and the perfidity of the American left and especially the NY Times, were revealed.

Now the American left tries to change its own history. That's fine with me, go for it. The more the leftists ignore their own history, the more they will damn themselves to repeat it.

And of course, the other late great leftists of the past century who collectivised lives, lets not forget Mao and Pol Pot. You gotta love those guys, sacrificing lives for the greater good of humanity.

Bot

Your beginning to sound like bone!

#20 09-10-2005, 08:52 PM

When the police or NG is sent in for prevention you guys call them stupid SOB's. Now you want them sent in BEFORE or DURING a hurricane. Make up your ****** minds.

Brian Carlton · #21 09-10-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MedMech

When the police or NG is sent in for prevention you guys call them stupid SOB's. Now you want them sent in BEFORE or DURING a hurricane. Make up your ****** minds.

Your problem is that you can't discern the difference between a hurricane travelling due north right out of Miami with 100% certainty of striking the gulf coast and Coast Guard personnel randomly shadowing a ferryboat in the blind hope of running into a potential terrorist.

To you, the two scenario's are identical. That's because you are so ****** brilliant.

#22 09-10-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Your problem is that you can't discern the difference between a hurricane travelling due north right out of Miami with 100% certainty of striking the gulf coast and Coast Guard personnel randomly shadowing a ferryboat in the blind hope of running into a potential terrorist.

To you, the two scenario's are identical. That's because you are so ****** brilliant.

Well Brilliant Brian it was you that made the case that show of force didn't do any good, and that was proved wrong a thread was started and you didn't respond. Ask yourself the question Mr. Constitution who's responibilty was it to call in the National Guard? So Mr. Problem Seeker who's job was it to stock the Super Dome with food and water? And why oh why Mr. Policeman was the NOLA police sent on vacation if its soooooo bad?

Its not the scenerios that are identical its your ideology.

Brian Carlton · #23 09-10-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MedMech

Well Brilliant Brian it was you that made the case that show of force didn't do any good, and that was proved wrong a thread was started and you didn't respond.

The show of force may or may not have done some good. We'll never know, will we? It was Bot, I believe, who mentioned that the show was there as a deterrent, not to intercept any terrorists. I understood and agreed with this, however, I do feel that the cost is far greater than the potential results.

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Originally Posted by MedMech

Ask yourself the question Mr. Constitution who's responibilty was it to call in the National Guard? So Mr. Problem Seeker who's job was it to stock the Super Dome with food and water? And why oh why Mr. Policeman was the NOLA police sent on vacation if its soooooo bad?

We've already discussed this ad-infinitium on other threads. Who do you think has the maximum knowledge of the approaching storm and the potential damage that it may cause? And, who do you think has the capability to move in with massive support personnel from all areas of the country to meet the need that will surely be present?

So, you wish to lay the blame for the lack of a response on a couple of dolts from Louisiana, who are clearly not up to the task at hand? And, you wish me to believe that the Feds did not know that the city and state could never handle such a crisis?

And, you wish me to believe that the Feds had no requirement to be proactive when there was clear evidence of a category five storm that was going to slam into the gulf coast?

And then you wish to compare this scenario to shadowing a ferry boat in the blind hope to thwart a terrorist?

Definitely ****** brilliant........I've got to tell you.........your staunch support of the Feds no matter what they do will be your downfall.

Ron (Canada) · #24 09-10-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by matt7531

Let's face it, the right wing hates the government. They say it here all the time. They hate what the job government does, they hate the concept of government, they deny the government's responsibility to do anything. They hate giving the government money, they hate how the government functions, they hate it with every fiber of their being. They hate the people in the government, of course with the exception of those people in the government who hate the government like they do. The right has made a joke of government under Bush - hiring the former president of The Arabian Horse Breeders Association to head FEMA, for example, the equivalent of Caligula making his horse The Consul of Rome, showing how much regard the Bushiites hold for government. Each department head is appointed because they have fulfilled one main criteria - they hate the department they were hired to run. To them, government simply does not solve problems. We first saw this philosophy in Iraq, when the place was looted to the walls. Now we see it here at home, as the whole right wing "it's not my yob, man" buck-passing crowd cortles their approval of letting people die while the government does nothing. In the aftermath of Sept 11, FEMA listed the potential for the disaster in New Orleans as the #3 most likely event to happen, either naturally or by terrorist attack. The taxpayers and the Congress gave the right wing everything they wanted, every new department, every dollar and every budget they asked for in reponse. What did we get? Faith-based government, aka "no government at all". Totally unprepared for the #3 disaster, after spending all that money. Incompentent leadership by a horse breeder and his incompetant crony staff. The guy two rungs down the totem pole from Bush, and the supposed point man when a major disaster strikes, a resume padding, lying horse trader lazy ass rich boy, who now on close examination, appears to be a guy who never much worked in his life. A Vice President shopping for personal real estate while one of the most major ports in the world was being destroyed. A president reluctant to end his vacation during the same time, utterly worthless as he panned "it's not my yob man" until it became politically impossible to keep it up. A secretary of state who went shopping for $1,000 shoes. A HSA Secretary who stated that as far as he knew, no one was trapped in New Orleans, even tho it was on the 5:00 news. Has the right wing gone off the deep end, now proving they are utterly unable to govern, because they really do not believe in government at all? What are we to expect in the next disaster? Are we to find out another government official in charge of bio-attacks is the former head of the Tidy Bowl Toilet Endorsement Association? Or perhaps that another cabinet Secretary isn't even aware of what is on the news, never mind what his own department is doing, after an anthrax attack? When it was in Iraq, when General Jake Garn, a capable military officer who wanted the State Department to run the occupation of Iraq, was fired and replaced by the neo-con Republican Party hack Paul Bremer, an incompetant toad who got soldiers and civilians killed by the thousands with his criminal incompentance , nobody here cared. Now that an entire US city has disappeared, are we ready to pay attention? Or should we give "Brownie" a medal, like Bremer got? After all, he's still head of FEMA (in name only, because Mr. Prez doesn't have the political balls to actually fire someone he himself hired), even though he is an idiot. Will we give him and Chertoff a parade when this is done?

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Hi Matt,

"A Vice President shopping for personal real estate while one of the most major ports in the world was being destroyed."

A Vice President on his holidays during the month-off that all government takes, does not merit such vitreol.
The man is going to be out of office next year and is probably going to retire for health reasons.
When did you expect him to rush into a land purchase.. have a house built and arrange to sell his other residence? I would guess that he will be busy trying to help the repubs get elected next summer.. Will that be held against him too?

I don't know where you heard what Cheney was doing on his own time... At least he didn't simply say "It Was Government Business" to shut up the reporter. Maybe he did, and they wrote their own story to make him look like an ignorant, uncaring hick... (a'la Dan Rather and company)

How much government time was misappropriated by Bill when we was busy smoking cigars in the Oval Office?... I suppose Bill took less time off than other Presidents because he was "married" to his work.... (playing the hoarmonica).

Do you think that the president was being an opportunist by asking Bill and Daddy Bush to go to N.O. to console the flood victiims?
I didn't notice the media saying much against that. Did they miss the opportunity?

I do agree that Bush has to learn to control his nervous tendency to smile when trying to justify the accusations being made against him by media that wants him to look bad as much as does the the defeated left.
I am surprised that the media did not belittle the $2000 debit cards given to evacuees
That would have been truly transparent and self-serving.

Now, it looks like there will be far fewer deaths than the 10k which left-leaning media had hoped for (predicted) in their coverage of the flood.
Could it be that they took the desperate tirade made by the Mayor too seriously?
Will Bush be held liable for the cost of the unused body bags?
Maybe they can get some mileage out of the deaths of pets left behind by the rescuers.

Just curious Matt.. did you have a job that was adversely effected by the election of the conservatives?

Ron (Canada)

kamil · #25 09-10-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Canada)

Just curious Matt.. did you have a job that was adversely effected by the election of the conservatives?

Ron (Canada)

Very very good point.

#26 09-10-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Definitely ****** brilliant........I've got to tell you.........your staunch support of the Feds no matter what they do will be your downfall.

Why do you call my support staunch? There's plenty of blame to go around, the difference is that I'm not so blinded that I'm going to give the Mayor and Gov. a pass. If the Gov was Jeb Bush you'd be frying his butt.

Ron (Canada) · #27 09-10-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kamil

I like Bush and I like some of his ideas. While most people are worrying about social security and free government handouts Bush is thinking in the long run. Heck, who ever controls the most oil will be the most powerful nation in the world. Look what happened to poor Poland in 1939....troops just marched in unexpectadly for no reason and just took the country. What makes you think that in the next few years someone won't do that to the good old USA? War planes, tanks, subs, ships all need one vital resource to function-OIL. If that were to happen I wonder if all the people would still worry about Social Security and getting a few bucks off their income tax. I could careless if I get SS as I am already investing money into retirement and I am only 23, others can do the same.

Why should the upper class or the upper middle class work very hard to provide free handouts to the poor. The poor people have ten fingers and ten toes which makes them capable of working. Bush has been cutting back on the FREE HANDOUT programs from what I have read.

One thing that I have noticed about going to school is that all my literature, anthropology, english, and seminar professors are all liberals. (They seemed like they were dreamers)....On the other hand, the ex corporate business professors (accounting, finance, economics) are die hard republicans.

Can someone actually explain the long run benefits of sending out welfare checks etc? I work in a bank in a city where majority of the customers receive some type of government aid. While the lady is cashing a check at my window she has seven little kids standing behind her and one in the oven. The more kids she has the more money she will more likely receive. Those seven kids will probably do the same thing and our government will go bankrupt in the future. If they knew ahead of time that there would be no aid maybe they would get a job or have less kids? That poor parent is not teaching the kids the importance of work which means that there might be 7 more criminals/drug addicts etc. They have VERY SLIM chances of making anything of themselves. Only 5% of people actually move up in class (middle class to upper class for example) which means that 95% will stay somewhere along the lines of where they are now. That VERY POOR lady just produced SEVEN more VERY POOR people living off the government.

Like someone said above: "It's survival of the fittest"

Before anybody says anything let me say it myself....I know I know I am arrogant, ignorant, spoiled, so called racist etc.

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Hi Kamil,

The left has a vested interest in maintaining a viable population of poor.

Without the poor, there will be less need for social programs, social workers,
handouts, and far fewer voters to put them back into office...

The pendulum has swung to the right because the US must now compete with the rest of the world and the rest of the world has FAR LESS GOVERNMENT.
Don't expect the Left to make the needed adjustments.

Last presidential election, there were over 4 million more who voted "right".
If the left had not been so blind 30 years ago, during "Roe v Way", they might have had sufficient new voters to get them re-elected. Instead, there has been close to 30 million abortions to dwindle their ranks.

Ron (Canada)

Brian Carlton · #28 09-10-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MedMech

Why do you call my support staunch? There's plenty of blame to go around, the difference is that I'm not so blinded that I'm going to give the Mayor and Gov. a pass. If the Gov was Jeb Bush you'd be frying his butt.

To the contrary.

Just listen to those two morons on the TV and you can clearly see that they are part of the "average" population that I was discussing with you a few days ago until you ran away like a chicken.

These two are completely clueless as to how to handle a catastrophe and what to do in the aftermath. Yes, they are fully to blame. I give them no pass.

But, in contrast to you, I give the Feds much more credit than you do. They knew the power of this approaching storm and they probably knew that the state of Louisiana had no people capable of dealing with it. So, a reasonable decision by the Feds would be proactive. Have men and material in place and ready to go on a single telephone call. They could have been dispatched on Monday and be in the theatre on Tuesday.

The political affiliation of the individuals has no influence on my outlook. It's the capability of the individuals involved. I've reached the conclusion that the mayor and the governor are two indivduals who are clearly way over their heads in attempting to manage a crisis. Look at the rebublican mayor Guiliani. A man who was on top of every detail in that crisis. Completely different capability. Completely different result. I have a ton of respect for Rudy Guiliani and I always have, even prior to the situation in NYC. His performance as the US Attorney in charge of the Brooklyn district proved the capabilities of the man, beyond a doubt.

Jeb Bush has far more capability than these two dolts. His response would have (and has) been significantly better in a similar crisis.

And, BTW, I really don't fault GWB all that much. Naturally he has to take the heat, but, the director of FEMA is the primary culprit. If such an individual had any clue as to the potential damage that this storm would cause (and there was plenty of data three days in advance), and if he was not a complete moron, FEMA could have been proactive in this endeavor.

I'll tell you again. The individuals who were in charge of the mayor's office in New Orleans and the governor's office in LA, and the head of FEMA were "average" people asked to do a job that was way beyond their capabilities. The average person is a moron. This catastrophe proves it, yet again.

GermanStar · #29 09-10-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

To the contrary.

Jeb Bush has far more capability than these two dolts. His response would have (and has) been significantly better in a similar crisis.

At least during an election year.

Brian Carlton · #30 09-10-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

At least during an election year.

I don't know the details of Jeb all that well, but, I haven't seen anything even remotely similar to the lack of capability that is evidenced in Louisiana.

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