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Post Has the right wing in this country swung so far to the right they are now Anarchists?

Let's face it, the right wing hates the government. They say it here all the time. They hate what the job government does, they hate the concept of government, they deny the government's responsibility to do anything. They hate giving the government money, they hate how the government functions, they hate it with every fiber of their being. They hate the people in the government, of course with the exception of those people in the government who hate the government like they do. The right has made a joke of government under Bush - hiring the former president of The Arabian Horse Breeders Association to head FEMA, for example, the equivalent of Caligula making his horse The Consul of Rome, showing how much regard the Bushiites hold for government. Each department head is appointed because they have fulfilled one main criteria - they hate the department they were hired to run. To them, government simply does not solve problems. We first saw this philosophy in Iraq, when the place was looted to the walls. Now we see it here at home, as the whole right wing "it's not my yob, man" buck-passing crowd cortles their approval of letting people die while the government does nothing. In the aftermath of Sept 11, FEMA listed the potential for the disaster in New Orleans as the #3 most likely event to happen, either naturally or by terrorist attack. The taxpayers and the Congress gave the right wing everything they wanted, every new department, every dollar and every budget they asked for in reponse. What did we get? Faith-based government, aka "no government at all". Totally unprepared for the #3 disaster, after spending all that money. Incompentent leadership by a horse breeder and his incompetant crony staff. The guy two rungs down the totem pole from Bush, and the supposed point man when a major disaster strikes, a resume padding, lying horse trader lazy ass rich boy, who now on close examination, appears to be a guy who never much worked in his life. A Vice President shopping for personal real estate while one of the most major ports in the world was being destroyed. A president reluctant to end his vacation during the same time, utterly worthless as he panned "it's not my yob man" until it became politically impossible to keep it up. A secretary of state who went shopping for $1,000 shoes. A HSA Secretary who stated that as far as he knew, no one was trapped in New Orleans, even tho it was on the 5:00 news. Has the right wing gone off the deep end, now proving they are utterly unable to govern, because they really do not believe in government at all? What are we to expect in the next disaster? Are we to find out another government official in charge of bio-attacks is the former head of the Tidy Bowl Toilet Endorsement Association? Or perhaps that another cabinet Secretary isn't even aware of what is on the news, never mind what his own department is doing, after an anthrax attack? When it was in Iraq, when General Jake Garn, a capable military officer who wanted the State Department to run the occupation of Iraq, was fired and replaced by the neo-con Republican Party hack Paul Bremer, an incompetant toad who got soldiers and civilians killed by the thousands with his criminal incompentance , nobody here cared. Now that an entire US city has disappeared, are we ready to pay attention? Or should we give "Brownie" a medal, like Bremer got? After all, he's still head of FEMA (in name only, because Mr. Prez doesn't have the political balls to actually fire someone he himself hired), even though he is an idiot. Will we give him and Chertoff a parade when this is done?


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Old 09-10-2005, 05:23 PM
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not anarchist but the compassionate conservative.. that's what i was afraid of but unfortunately dumbarses thought it was a good idea.. well, here you go.
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You are mistaken KV.

The right wing loves the government in one crucial respect. They want the government to have a strong military with unlimited firepower so that we can go kick the $hit out of anybody who we feel is not behaving in a proper manner.

In all other respects, I'm in agreement. For them, the government is useless, from enforcing speeding restrictions, to providing social security, to establishing a minimum wage, to providing housing for the infirm and poor, to funding higher education, for providing disaster relief in an emergency, for controlling the ingress and egress through our borders..................

Private industry, or the individual citizen, should do all of these things without government intervention. If a person can't afford to pay the private industry, or the individual citizen is incapable of tending to his own security and shelter, well, that's just tough $hit. Only the strong survive...........didn't you know?
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No the left has just swung so far left that Stalin looks like a fascist to them.....
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Why did you have to do that? Every time I see that stupid face I want to put my fist in it.
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Old 09-10-2005, 05:55 PM
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Yeah KV we all know you pray to a little Stalin figurine every night......
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No the left has just swung so far left that Stalin looks like a fascist to them.....

you must be off your rocker there bud if you think stalin was left.
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Why did you have to do that? Every time I see that stupid face I want to put my fist in it.
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Like Brian says, we need our National Guard elsewhere:


Guard Stretched Between Katrina, Wars
By LIZ SIDOTI,
Associated Press
Sat Sep 10, 7:24 AM ET



WASHINGTON - The National Guard is stretched so thin by simultaneous assignments in Iraq and the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast that leaders in statehouses and Congress say it is time to reconsider how the force is used.


Republicans and Democrats alike worry about the service's ability to balance its federal and state missions of fighting wars and responding to domestic crises.

"We need to look at what is going to be the long-term future of our Guard when states need to rely on these soldiers for emergencies and the nation continues to rely on them for overseas deployment," said Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat.

About 41,000 Guard members are scattered across Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, along with 17,000 active-duty troops. About 30,000 Guard members are serving in Iraq, with smaller numbers in Afghanistan, Kosovo and elsewhere overseas.

Since the storm devastated the deep South, Republicans and Democrats have praised the Guard for what may be the most massive U.S. military response to a domestic natural disaster.

But lawmakers also have questioned whether poor coordination between the federal government and the states — and the overseas deployments — kept the Guard from getting where it was needed quickly after the hurricane.

Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, intends to review the Guard's hurricane relief performance this fall.

The head of the National Guard Bureau said Friday the assignment of thousands of Guard troops from Mississippi and Louisiana to Iraq delayed those states' initial hurricane response by about a day.

"Had that brigade been at home and not in Iraq, their expertise and capabilities could have been brought to bear," said Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, the bureau's chief.

However, Blum said that overall, the Iraq assignment is not limiting the military's ability to continue the rescue and recovery operations.

The Pentagon has said the response was swift and another 319,000 Army National Guard and Air National Guard personnel are available if needed.

Nevertheless, lawmakers worry about the short-term impact of the dual duty on the Guard's manpower and equipment availability and the long-term effect on recruitment and retention.

"All those things are going to become much bigger issues that we're going to have to address," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, a Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Another committee member, Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), D-R.I., called Hurricane Katrina a wake-up call that will force Congress to re-evaluate "how do you maintain overseas deployment of significant numbers and still maintain a Guard force in the United States capable of responding to disasters?"

Some lawmakers say the responsibilities placed on the Guard now buttress their long-standing argument that the United States must permanently increase active-duty forces. But those lawmakers also acknowledge that's a tall order at a time of lagging recruitment.

"We're overextended worldwide," said Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), D-Pa. "We have too small an Army for the job that we're doing, yet we can't increase the size of the Army because it's volunteer and we can't enlist anybody."

The federal government has not always brought the Guard under its control for overseas military missions, choosing in many cases to leave the units in states to assist governors during civil disturbances and natural disasters.

But in recent years, the Pentagon has viewed the part-time citizen soldiers as a component of overall military operations and regularly sent Guard forces abroad, often for extended tours.

Governors and members of Congress have frequently questioned whether long active-duty tours harm recruitment, retention and soldiers' families.

Calling on the Guard for hurricane relief for an undetermined amount of time has intensified those concerns.

"Iraq and Afghanistan alone have been stressful," said Sen. John Cornyn (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas. "This doesn't make it any easier. And it probably makes it harder."

Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Republican, said the hurricane clearly adds strain. However, he said: "The level of catastrophe is so enormous it would tax us regardless" of whether or not the Guard was serving overseas.

President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld contend the military can handle the war and hurricane relief. But some lawmakers aren't convinced.

"It's pretty clear we have enough Guard people in the United States, but are they capable of handling our oversees commitments as well? We need to figure out how that impacts our ability in Iraq," said Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz.

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"Iraq and Afghanistan alone have been stressful," said Sen. John Cornyn (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas. "This doesn't make it any easier. And it probably makes it harder."
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Libertarians are right wing anarchists as I see it. They believe that property rights trump human rights and that government exists to protect the private property rights of corporations and that is basically it. The right wing former Colorado Senate Majority leader was quoted today in the paper as in favor of abolishing all forms of public education from kindergarten thru graduate school. Only children with wealthy parents deserve an education in his view. So, yes I think the right wing of the republican party are private property rights anarchists.

But, all anarchists are not right wing. There are left wing anarchists who hold very different views of private property rights.
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Old 09-10-2005, 08:20 PM
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I like Bush and I like some of his ideas. While most people are worrying about social security and free government handouts Bush is thinking in the long run. Heck, who ever controls the most oil will be the most powerful nation in the world. Look what happened to poor Poland in 1939....troops just marched in unexpectadly for no reason and just took the country. What makes you think that in the next few years someone won't do that to the good old USA? War planes, tanks, subs, ships all need one vital resource to function-OIL. If that were to happen I wonder if all the people would still worry about Social Security and getting a few bucks off their income tax. I could careless if I get SS as I am already investing money into retirement and I am only 23, others can do the same.

Why should the upper class or the upper middle class work very hard to provide free handouts to the poor. The poor people have ten fingers and ten toes which makes them capable of working. Bush has been cutting back on the FREE HANDOUT programs from what I have read.

One thing that I have noticed about going to school is that all my literature, anthropology, english, and seminar professors are all liberals. (They seemed like they were dreamers)....On the other hand, the ex corporate business professors (accounting, finance, economics) are die hard republicans.

Can someone actually explain the long run benefits of sending out welfare checks etc? I work in a bank in a city where majority of the customers receive some type of government aid. While the lady is cashing a check at my window she has seven little kids standing behind her and one in the oven. The more kids she has the more money she will more likely receive. Those seven kids will probably do the same thing and our government will go bankrupt in the future. If they knew ahead of time that there would be no aid maybe they would get a job or have less kids? That poor parent is not teaching the kids the importance of work which means that there might be 7 more criminals/drug addicts etc. They have VERY SLIM chances of making anything of themselves. Only 5% of people actually move up in class (middle class to upper class for example) which means that 95% will stay somewhere along the lines of where they are now. That VERY POOR lady just produced SEVEN more VERY POOR people living off the government.

Like someone said above: "It's survival of the fittest"

Before anybody says anything let me say it myself....I know I know I am arrogant, ignorant, spoiled, so called racist etc.

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