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Azimyth 09-15-2005 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by azureblue
BHD, you are right that not everyone is college material, and so, we will always have the poor and misinformed among us to be manipulated for political reasons.

Back to topic. I find honor in a man who will accept responsibility for a situation not entirely of his making. Just wish those directly so would do the same.


In which college did Abraham Lincoln matriculate?

luvrpgrl 09-15-2005 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
Bush is only taking responsibility because his advisors assure him it's the best tack to take. More "president by the numbers," like the ole "paint by numbers" kraft kits. Can you imagine having a president who actually had the guts to speak what was on his mind at all times? Or at least to not need constant teleprompter or notes? To have the feeling that the words he was speaking actually sprang from a place of understanding in his brain?


BRILLIANT !!!!

Ok smarty pants, so what is he suppose to do?
NOT TAKE RESPONSABILITY??????????????????????????????
You would prefer that? You think that is the honorable and honest thing to do?

cmac2012 09-15-2005 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85
I actually saw the clip of W s statement and it was PATHETIC.

The part where he says "he takes responsibility......." He can't even face the camera!
He actually quivers away and does a 180 away from the camera.
ANY MAN when admitting they did something wrong, FACES the camera, looks you in the eye and says it. So you believe him.
This guy is such a BS artist!
He's pathetic. A 1st class embarresment!
Go the F home to Texas.

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Originally Posted by Ron (Canada)
Maybe he was ignoring the camera and making eye-contact with the people in the room... I can see no other reason for looking around. It was not evasion.
I believe that your idol would have been praised for doing the same thing

There was also more than one camera in the room, so everyone that watched on television may have had differing viewpoints and may or may not agree with you.

Of course, If you were in the room with him, you might have had a better impression.
Then again, your mind may already be made-up.

I saw the clip tonight on the Daily Show. Austin85’s description is spot-on. If I was on a jury, I’d convict the guy. It was an abysmal performance. He gave the appearance of someone imagining they were being drug to it with a chain. He was pouty and dismissive -- this was clearly an unnecessary lowering of his accustomed majesty as far as the Dubbers was concerned. I don’t how we got to this state, but it’s not good.

cmac2012 09-15-2005 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
More people take me seriously than they do you.....FYI....hell Hillary is less Biased than you are.

People take you seriously? Well, on diesel mechanics, I suppose. :sun_smile

Botnst 09-15-2005 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
I saw the clip tonight on the Daily Show. Austin85’s description is spot-on. If I was on a jury, I’d convict the guy. It was an abysmal performance. He gave the appearance of someone imagining they were being drug to it with a chain. He was pouty and dismissive -- this was clearly an unnecessary lowering of his accustomed majesty as far as the Dubbers was concerned. I don’t how we got to this state, but it’s not good.

Based on a clip from a comedy show you would convict somebody.

Good grief.

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cscmc1 09-15-2005 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85
So is my Black Lab, genuine and compassionate............
but no disrespect the guy acts like a total burnout, and he's the f'in President...
I still can't get over that he couldn't even face the camera, when he said "...He's responsible..." What a pussy!

Just saying, there are different sides to every coin. You're looking at just one of them... not terribly accepting, are you?

Are you sure your lab's not yellow?

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cscmc1 09-15-2005 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85
HUH?....

Let me help you out: I think he means, what can you contribute to make things better? Or are you happy to just *****?

Honus 09-15-2005 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Based on a clip from a comedy show you would convict somebody.

Good grief.

Bot

Just because it's on a comedy show doesn't make the video less reliable, but I don't think the video is all that significant. It's not like it gives a window to W's soul or anything.

If for no reason other than political expediency, I wish people would back off of W's work on Katrina, at least until he screws up again. Give the guy his due, he came about as close as presidents ever come to accepting responsibility. He had the political smarts to take his medicine. So I say democrats should back off and be as constructive as possible.

boneheaddoctor 09-15-2005 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin
Just because it's on a comedy show doesn't make the video less reliable, but I don't think the video is all that significant. It's not like it gives a window to W's soul or anything.

If for no reason other than political expediency, I wish people would back off of W's work on Katrina, at least until he screws up again. Give the guy his due, he came about as close as presidents ever come to accepting responsibility. He had the political smarts to take his medicine. So I say democrats should back off and be as constructive as possible.

He didn't screw up a first time yet.......


#1 the Mayor screwed up bigtime....

#2 the Governor screwed up bigtime....

#3 Bush gets Fema going which is the order of progression that is legal and normal...

I see only dems that screwed up....and not one thing Bush did wrong.

Brian Carlton 09-15-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

I see only dems that screwed up....and not one thing Bush did wrong.

Firstly, there is no argument that the mayor and governor screwed up.

However, although I'm not at all surprised, you have to have your head buried in the sand to give Bush a complete pass on this.

He was at least 36 hours behind the curve and was far more interested in his jaunt to California then to handle the crisis. From what I have been able to garner, he wasn't even aware of the crisis until very late on Tuesday. No TV for him, so, how would he know?

It's entirely possible that the average person in the street knew more about the severity of the situation than GWB did.

The fact that he admitted the Feds screwed up is a major indication of how badly they mismanaged the job. GWB is known to never make a mistake, by his own admittance. This response was so compromised that even the almighty Bush has had to eat crow.

cscmc1 09-15-2005 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton
The fact that he admitted the Feds screwed up is a major indication of how badly they mismanaged the job. GWB is known to never make a mistake, by his own admittance. This response was so compromised that even the almighty Bush has had to eat crow.

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

BTW -- I am not giving Bush a pass on this. As is always the case, there were things that could have been handled better, in hindsight.

boneheaddoctor 09-15-2005 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton
Firstly, there is no argument that the mayor and governor screwed up.

However, although I'm not at all surprised, you have to have your head buried in the sand to give Bush a complete pass on this.

He was at least 36 hours behind the curve and was far more interested in his jaunt to California then to handle the crisis. From what I have been able to garner, he wasn't even aware of the crisis until very late on Tuesday. No TV for him, so, how would he know?

It's entirely possible that the average person in the street knew more about the severity of the situation than GWB did.

The fact that he admitted the Feds screwed up is a major indication of how badly they mismanaged the job. GWB is known to never make a mistake, by his own admittance. This response was so compromised that even the almighty Bush has had to eat crow.


Boy are you ever so wrong..

If you ever saw the communications systems they use you would be amazed...I have seen them...first hand.

He knew before anyone else did...what could he have done to stop the hurricane...

Federal law, precident, and SOP dictates the City if first responder...followed by the state.....the feds come in last....

Fema was the only ones to do anything...so how was that a screwup...its amazing how everyone is experts after an event..with the benifit of hindsight...

Bush does not run FEMA...Bush does not control the workings of FEMA...Bush does not Micromanage FEMA not does he have the right to.

Explain how anything Bush could have legally done would have changed anything...

The Feds can not act until requested by the Governor of the state...otherwise Federal law is broken.

cscmc1 09-15-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by azureblue
Very interesting info. Should be a civics lesson to those who do not understand how "States Rights" really work in a situation like this. I think most do not realize that the Federal Gov. cannot operate in any state until that state has given permission.

My father and I were discussing this earlier this week... "Civics" as he and I (to a lesser degree) were taught is no longer really part of the curriculum in public education. People don't understand the simple legalities, and obviously don't care about them. The press' bumbling of this whole affair is evidence of this... it's very difficult to find press that accurately explains what legally must happen for the feds to step in in cases like this.... which is disappointing.

Brian Carlton 09-15-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Bush does not run FEMA...Bush does not control the workings of FEMA...Bush does not Micromanage FEMA not does he have the right to.

Explain how anything Bush could have legally done would have changed anything...

The Feds can not act until requested by the Governor of the state...otherwise Federal law is broken.

Sure, I suppose that you can say that Bush has no responsibility, becasue he has an agency to do a job. He bears no responsibility because they could not do the job in a timely manner.

And, he bears no responsibility for waiting for the Governor to call and request help.

Yep, since he is the President, he is responsible for nothing........it's either Federal employees who are resoponsible or the Governor........but not GWB.

Interesting take Bonehead........and head in the sand.......as usual.

BTW, the Feds can act at any time, without the need for waiting for the Governor. The Federal law supports this. It has already been discussed in other threads.

If you think the Feds can hide behind the fact that the governor didn't call, you are really behind the curve on this one.

cscmc1 09-15-2005 11:17 AM

Brian -- on a serious note, do you have links (not just to threads here, unless they in turn provide links to reputable sources) to info that explains when and how the Feds can step in w/o state approval? I would like to learn more about this.


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