I have been looking around for a good 124 diesel for a long time. During my search I came across a nicely maintained 1991 audi 200 quattro. It has a f5 cylinder motor with turbo and is a 5 speed. Seems like a fun car, which would be practical for me because I live in snow country. Any thoughts on these vehicles?

Some of my favorite non-MB cars. I've owned 5 cyl Quattros for the past ten years. The 1991 200Q 20V is the pick of the bunch. It's rarer than hen's teeth. If that really is what it is, not a 90 or an 89, and it is a Quattro, that is a 150 mph missile with wide upgrade possibilities.

I'm building an engine for my 1987 Turbo Quattro right now. ARP studs and steel HG to take that lovely 23 psi of boost... mmmm...

Funny.... when I read Old Audi, I was thinking of the 70's models. I used to have a 79 Fox (same as a '78 80 in Germany). Fun little car!

Guess this means I'm gettin' older


Like BamaMB below, I was thinking of the 100LS also (as well as my cousin's mid 70's 150 & 200)

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I had a 1985 Audi 5000S which when it was running was great to drive, though when it decided to conk out, which was often, it was always pretty expensive fixes. A majority of the issues were electrical - which is the same with my current Benz, but atleast the Benz will still function if a gremlin decides to act up.

When you said "old Audi" I was thinking of the 100LS... guess I'm showing my age here.

I LOVE the old Quatros and would LOVE to have a 'Killer B' clone, actually, one they never raced (1000hp) as the former ones were WAY too fast and killing people.

They'd see them coming, and they came so quick, SPLAT! You had to be a drivers driver to ralley those things.

I'll take another Uber-Quatro, thank you. Actually I won't, Mercedes and BMW are currently making me broke enough...

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What about the 1991 90Q 20v? I just came across one on craigslist with only 113,000 miles for $2,500.

The 90Q 20v is only naturally aspirated... it's a nice little car but really, it weighs almost as much as a 123 and has 161hp. Fast by diesel standards but nothing a 560SEL couldn't eat up. $2500 is a good price only if the car is nearly perfect. I know of a 200Q20V on the east coast going for 2500 and it looks good... PM me on that one if you are interested. Basically, $2500 is too much for any non-turbo5 cyl Audi. The turbo cars are "where it's at"...

What we paid for our Audi fleet here at the Audi House:

1989 80Q: $500 on ebay, cost $600 to get it home from NH to AZ. Back in 2004, gas would be much more nowadays.

1986 Coupe GT: $300 needing clutch. Did the clutch and my roommate bought it, drives that car on a hard 75 mile commute daily for three years...

1988 90Q, $600 locally with Eibachs, Speedlines, and cold A/C. Tom's spare car for when his girlfriend takes the 80Q...

1987 5000TQ: My turbo quattro beast. Getting the engine redone to take big boost. ARP studs, big valves, MC-2 cam, straight pipes, chipped, $1000 when I bought it stock last summer. Another $1500 into tuning stuff, H&R springs, and 2004 A4 17" rims, and there you go.

Like I said, apart from 126s these are my favorite cars. They're fun, and should be cheap, apart from the 1983-85 quattro turbo coupe ($10k for a nice example)...

Have owned 3 Coupes, an '82, and '83 & a '84. Pre-mid '83's have the better engines with solid lifters. The later ones will clatter like a thrashing machine after about 100k miles. Electricals were better on the later ones to a point. The '83 was the best. Had solid lifters(they changed mid-83) & great electricals. The '82 ran forever, but had issues. Lights, wipers, you name it.
Had a '83 5000. Great car, but again, electrical issues.
Had an '86 5000. A POS!! Dumped it after about 3 months.
Stay way away from the diesel 5000's. Those engine were garbage.

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I had one of those monsters. Flat wood dash, 4 speed manual, inboard disc brakes, what a PITA. Also had a 1982 5000 S. It was a fun car, but it cost an arm and a leg to fix, and interior parts would always fall off, like the ashtrays in the back doors.

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I ain't so young either. My first car was a 1967 Plymouth Belvedere II that I bought in 1977 and my second car was a 1967 mb 230 that I bought in 1978. BTW, they were both great cars. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.

Drove a '71 Audi Super-90 wagon for 14 years. (Anyone remember those?). Basically a DKW FWD body/chassis, powered by a Mercerdes-designed high-compression pushrod slant four. Included four-wheel torsion-bar suspension and inboard disc brakes.
Mine was pretty trouble prone past 100,000 miles (A fellow vintage Audi owner once said we were members of the 'Awfull Audi Club') but at least it was easy to work on for a FWD and it was a pleasure to drive. Lack of parts avalibility finally finished mine off in the early '90s.
It's now rusting away in my side yard.

Happy Motoring, Mark

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brick -- that Audi isn't in WI, is it? My friend is fixing his up for a gentleman who's interested in buying it. I think it's a 91 200 (turbo). Having driven it myself, I can say it's an AWESOME car! Man, those things are all sorts of fun. They launch like there's no tomorrow; no wheel-slip, just get up & go!

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Brick -- I got notification that you posted, but I don't see it... did you delete the post? Small world indeed. It MUST be the same car. How many can there be in the middle of WI? Ha!

Yes, the car is VERY nice for its age. There are two surface rust spots that I recall (one under the taillight -- usual spot -- and one over the windshield from a rock chip). They're just surface; believe me, I know rust-through (see my old threads on my 190e) and last I saw them, at least, they are NOT through the metal by any stretch.

Anyway, I know he has done all kinds of work on that car, all himself. It's a lobor of love for him. He's a part-time mechanic (ASE certified), and knows what he's doing. When I have a heavy-duty job, I call him and we work through it together. We were just talking last month about how sometimes you win on cars (make a few $ or break even) and sometimes you lose. He's trying to thin his "stable" (He's got a Jeep, Range Rover, several Triumphs, a Merkur, a decrepit Jag, etc...) and was trying to decide whether or not to offer the Audi for sale along with some of the other stuff (I'm in line for a TR6 when he's done with the resto!). He is losing his shirt when you factor in all the parts and labor he's put into the car, but that's the way it works sometimes. My 190e turned out to be the same story, and we were talking about how sometimes you cut your losses and throw in your hat.

Anyway, anything he's told you about the car is the truth. That much I can guarantee. He's the most honest friend I have (we went to college together and were roomates for several years), so anything you ask will be honestly answered... I'll put my name to that. Well worth a look if you have the time to do it. It's a nice example of that model, esp. at the price.

As for performance... well, drive it and you'll see. That thing is amazing. I think it has been driven really hard exactly once, and it was my doing. I tried my best to spin the tires ones and it just grabbed and went. Amazing. It felt every bit as quick as my 302 Mustang. He has driven it down here to IL (~9 hour drive) several times to visit, and I drove the car last year in a hellacious snowstorm up there. That AWD is awfully nice. I was honestly afraid to drive the Taurus up there, but the Audi was right at home.

Let me know what you think of the car if you get to check it out. Hope you like it!

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1980 Euro 300D (sadly, sold)
1998 Jetta TDI, 132K "Rudy"
1974 Triumph TR6
1999 Saab 9-5 wagon (wife's)

I am going to try to see it this week/weekend, if I can get someone to drive me there (I estimate 6 hours roundtrip). Wife is tired of my "classic" cars . I have been looking for a 124 diesel for a long time and came across the 1991 200s during my search. The mpg will be a lot worse, but should be more fun to drive and better in the snow. I will let you know after I see it. Thanks for the information. Good to hear about the rust. Road salt is a huge problem in this state.