What? I'm not sure what you are saying. So all the rhetoric you say is valuable?

I'm not taking away from your mercedes technical knowledge, but if you are going to talk about me ranting, then you should also look at the ranting you do everyday about how bill clinton was the one who let the terrorist do the things they do.

The neo-cons love to brag about the Iraqi "vote" -- funny, I don't hear them bragging about the $500,000,000,000.00 that has ben wasted or the 2,xxx lives that they have ended. But gosh darn, dang, we 'mericans gots to make'm vote.

The bloody consequences of civil war in Iraq have flowed from America's military invasion and occupation of that country. Arguing that "an even worse" civil war will occur as a consequence of America ceasing its invasion and military occupation of Iraq only seeks to shift the burden of accountability from those who instigated and abetted the disaster to those who argued against it and wish to conclude America's disastrous part in it forthwith. The "consequences" of a civil war result from beginning one, not from de-escalating and then eliminating the foreign military component of it.

The "Vietnamization" of Iraq has now begun: a desperate American stall for time until the "responsible" parties in Washington D.C. can "stand up" some Iraqi mercenaries who will fight and die for America's interests rather than their own. The fatal flaw in this inherently conflicted policy should appear obvious to the casual observer.

If on the other hand the bad puppet mercenaries decide -- as one should suspect -- to fight for their own interests rather than America's, the Kurds and Shiites will continue with the targeted political arrests and assassinations of their Sunni countrymen while leaving the large scale, "industrial grade" arresting and slaughtering of their Sunni countrymen to the Americans. What a great pogrom for enraging the world's billion Sunni Muslims and filling them with a hatred for America that will last for generations to come!

So? They already didn't like us before that. Why would this change anything?

Lets wait and see what happens. If it can produce something substantial like an Iraq that is stable, we will all benifit. If not, it was a mistake.

I never knew we loved Iraq enough to lay down 2000 of our best men and women for their country.

Of course it was only after we opened Al Capone's vault and nuthin was there, that we focused on "democracy".

What a crock!

How's the vote going?

It's kind of embarrassing, isn't it? These ignorant peasants risk being murdered to make their fingers blue. And they turn-out in proportions that should make western democracies blue with envy.

Most Americans couldn't be bothered with actually going through the trauma of driving to a climate-controlled polling place conveniently near home. No shots, no bombs.

B

Then prove how Bill Clinton responded to the terrorist attacks under his watch?.........................the answer to sum that up was he bombed an Aspirin factory and blew up an abandoned terrorist camp. Pretty weak response for multiple terrorist attacks....



Oh and the infamous comment about OBL after the WTC bombing.................."No controlling legal authority..." boy was that ever a lame comment for an American leader to make.

I don't hear liberals bragging over the trillions wasted supporting lazy welfare bums for the last 60+ years.....

$500,000,000,001
 

Is there a Foreign Country Interior Re-decorating Imperative clause embedded somewhere in the Constitution?

Here's some news about the actual vote.

Iraqis Cast Ballots Amid Tight Security

Dec 15, 7:25 AM (ET)

By BASSEM MROUE

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqis voted in a historic parliamentary election Thursday, with strong turnout reported in Sunni Arab areas that had shunned balloting last January, bolstering U.S. hopes of calming the insurgency enough to begin withdrawing its troops.

Several explosions rocked Baghdad as the polls opened, including a large one near the heavily fortified Green Zone that slightly injured two civilians and a U.S. Marine, the U.S. military said. A civilian was killed when a mortar shell exploded near a polling station in the northern city of Tal Afar, and a bomb killed a hospital guard near a voting site in Mosul.

But violence overall was light and did not appear to discourage Iraqis, some of whom turned out wrapped in their country's flag on a bright, sunny day and afterward displayed a purple ink-stained index finger - a mark to guard against multiple voting.

A bomb also exploded in Ramadi, and the U.S. military said one was defused at a polling station in Fallujah, another insurgent stronghold, despite promises by major insurgent groups not to attack polling places. Some election sites in Ramadi were guarded by masked gunmen.

With a nationwide vehicle ban in effect, most Iraqis walked to the polls. Streets were generally empty of cars, except for police, ambulances and a few others with special permits.

An alliance of Shiite religious parties, which dominate the current government, was expected to win the largest number of seats - but not enough to form a new administration without a coalition with rival groups. That could set the stage for lengthy and possibly bitter negotiations to produce a government.

Up to 15 million Iraqis were electing 275 members of the first full-term parliament since Saddam Hussein's ouster from among 7,655 candidates running on 996 tickets, representing Shiite, Sunni, Kurdish, Turkomen and sectarian interests across a wide political spectrum. Iraqis do not vote for individual candidates, but instead for lists - or tickets - that compete for the seats in each of the 18 provinces.

Some preliminary returns were expected late Thursday, but final returns could take days, if not weeks.

Funny..I remember you supporting Kosovo....

Fact checker, please
 

That is funny, but not remotely correct or even relevant.

I haven't supported any NATO/US foreign interventions that have taken place in my lifetime (four decades).

not relivent? its a foriegn country we have no interest in that wasted huge sums of money and military resources....it served our national intrest in no way at all.

Yes, the Iraq fiasco has been a waste of lives and resources, hasn't it? I'm glad we had this little talk.