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Old 02-14-2006, 12:07 AM
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Excellent synopsis.
Requires no faith.
Perfectly believable.
Unassailably reasonable.

I have lots of firecrackers like that. Ignite nothing with nothing and Boom!

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but what ignited the nothing in that situation

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Old 02-14-2006, 12:10 AM
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A more respectable faithless alternative would be "I don't know."

The view that Aquinas' 5 ways fail is subjective in the sense that no truth carries coercive force and must be accepted by a subject.
Almost all mainline post-Enlightenment intellectual culture is based on the position that Aquinas extended causality beyond its applicable range.

The question remains; how can a position which carries information beyond the range of all possible human experience serve as a justification for belief in God.

That was not the question that I addressed by copying Aquinas' first proof. The assertion was that religion is illogical. I demonstrated that assertion to be false.

You have now moved to a new question. That's okay with me I just don't ant to conflate them unnecessarily.

The answer to your question is exactly congruent with the conspiracy theories that persist yet defy rationality. Some people choose to believe that which satisfies some inner yearning for an explanation beyond the normal.

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Old 02-14-2006, 08:06 AM
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we all know we came from nothing, which then exploded

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A lot of people don't believe in nothing while many others do believe in nothing.

If we could find it... it might be hopeless.
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Old 02-14-2006, 08:40 AM
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but what if nothing is found?
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Old 02-14-2006, 01:11 PM
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but what if nothing is found?
Well thats been the status quo... and on that there is universal agreement.
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but what if nothing is found?
No big deal. We've been doing OK for quite some time without nothing.

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Old 02-15-2006, 08:33 AM
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but what if nothing is found?
That statement is an insoluble paradox.

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