You wanna meet my wife? and you are recycling the small dog comment I made to you?
Buena suerte tambien.

Yep. Infuriating.

I consider those who intentionally, shamelessly exploit accidental civilian deaths to further their own political agenda to be more repugnant than those accidentally caused the deaths.

Mike

Accidental? Bombs that can target a moving vehicle and hit a target within 2 meters is accidental? Direct hit on a ambulance. 7 or 8 telephone calls saying we are UN observers don't fire on us... and they hit them directly. I call out bull**** when I see it, now matter where it's from. Yes the photo's are staged... are the deaths staged also? I saw last week the guy reporting in Israel saying a piece of the bank's concrete flew 20 meters and could have hit someone, meanwhile whole blocks of buildings were completely demolished in Lebenon. All a reasonable person has to do is look at the death toll on either side. It does not matter if the death is from a rocket or a suicide bomb or a tank or bulldozer. It sure would be nice if it was the old testament...an eye for an eye... then thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Israelis would have to die before one more Arab did, and perhaps half of Israel would be destroyed. But frankly, I dont care much if all of Israel, Lebanon or Syria or any other country in ME is destroyed. Let's get our hands out of the pot.

There is a difference between precision and accuracy. Her is one way to look at it: A dial micrometer might read to 0.001. But if it is not calibrated there is no telling what 1.012 is measuring. Or this: Precision is hitting exactly where you aim. Accuracy is aiming at the right thing.

So, the guy aims the gun or rocket or whatever precisely at the wrong target. Did the guy aiming intend to hit the wrong target?

In contrast, some guy with a bearing-stuffed explosive vest gets on a bus full of school children. He knows exactly where he is. He triggers his device. That is both precision and accuracy.

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Also, if my army is in the field I want the death rate to be exorbitantly in my favor. That's a good thing. I'd love the death toll be 10,000:0. Would it be better if it was 1:1? Which war would last longer?

B

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Good point- but do it with their own money, not mine or my governments. The whole thread and the questions would be moot if the USA didn't give billions or tens of billions or hundreds of billions to Israel. I gather to say there wouldn't be terrorists if we didn't give Israel $: it would be a more equal fight and thus no need for terrorists. Perhaps if we did not give $ to Israel then they would resort to terrorist activities.
BTW, if the war total was 1:1 then the war would be shorter. It certainly can't get longer than it already is, which is why I asked if Israel would be better off somewhere else than the ME.

You too?

If I remember correctly, Carter's agreement specified that Egypt (and Jordan?) would get an amount of aid equal to what Israel got. I don't know it that's still in force.

B

A zero-sum game?

Well, since explosives are fairly cheap and Palestinians already have the highest birthrate int he region (thus ensuring a steady supply of bomb-belt wearers) I fail to see how not helping Israel would guarantee an end to the hostilities....

Oh, wait a minute, I get it. The arabs-palestinians-muslims-terrorists kill ALL the Jews, and that will in turn guarantee peace...wow, how did I miss that.

Given all that Jews and Israel have given the world vs. what arabs-palestinians-muslims-terrorists have given the world, I would say that supporting Israel is the smartest investment we can make.

Written history is not on your side. Starting with the Pelaponnesian wars and the Greek wars in Italy. Then transition to Carthage vs Rome. The England vs France in their recurring wars for European dominance. And finally, Germany vs Europe and the democracies vs communism. In each case the armies and populations were well matched. In each case the wars lasted decades, sometimes for generations.

In contrast, when the forces are asymmetrical the wars rarely last more than a decade or so, if the larger force has the will to persist. Lots of precedence in history for that, too. Start with the Mongols and work your way through the Islamic armies and up to England in Malaysia.

Stop talking like that. The Zionists will tell you to wear foil hats and call you an anti-semite.

They REALLY hate it when you show pictures of the babies they kill too. So don't do that.

Exactly. The differences in motivation and intended targets is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Regardless... the potential precision of a weapon does not guarantee that every potential operator of that weapon will be able to apply it with comparable precision... or that the information/intelligence that was provided (if any) regarding the target(s) is accurate... or that malfunctions won't occur...

...or that anyone even cares, for that matter.

For example, if someone from a few streets away starts launching dozens of rockets per day at MY neighborhood, I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about the "collateral damage" that might potentially be caused by my response. I'm going to respond, quite harshly, with whatever force is required to END the unprovoked attack.

Mike

I'm FAR from being a Zionist, and I seem to have misplaced my foil hat, and as a rule, I NEVER play the "racism card"...

But you have demonstrated your anti-Semitism quite well on this forum.

Concerning the dead baby pictures.... well.... let's see.....

Palestinians voluntarily elected HAMAS members to lead their "government"....

Lebanon not only has tolerated the presence of HEZBOLLA for decades, they actually recognize them as a legitimate political party!....

While Israel always expresses regret over causing civilian casualties....

Palestinians, and citizens of many other Muslim nations, have f***ing street parties in CELEBRATION of causing civilian casualties!!! :mad:

...So... Please forgive me if my sympathy for their "civilian casualties" is waning.

:rolleyes: :mad:

Mike

No they call YOU an anti-semite because your whole thesis is that it is all one sided. The Isreali are running over peaceful places, etc, etc. You even stated that Isreal started it. When asked how, you didn't answer. I am not saying that they don't do unsavory things either. Which does explain why we need them sometimes. However, that is another story. What is pertenant is that the Palestinians and Hezbollah ALSO do unsavory things. You seem to be good a pointing out what the Isreali do that is not right and therefore they deserve it. However, I have not seen you even acknowldege the other side and their oh, so wonderful acts. Yes, the Isreali did a land grab. Where? In the Golan Heights. When again? During the 6 day war. Lets see now

Creation of Israel

May 14, 1948:Israel declares Independence from British rule, before the expiration of the British Mandate of Palestine at midnight.

After Creation

May 15, 1948:Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Transjordan and local Arabs attack the new Jewish state. The resulting 1948 Arab-Israeli War lasts for 13 months.

So who started the ball rolling?

Moving along to the Golan Heights, you amass your armies at the border and we have been on bad terms, should I assume you are there to invite me to coffee? Ok, a fight breaks out. And it ends. What do you think this is? A boxing match? Ref stops it and you go back to your corner? You expected them to kiss and make up? Yes, you have a war and you are upset when I bust your chops and take something away? Really.

hahaha....

Ouch.

Harsh. But funny. ;)

Mike

Get educated about Golan Heights and the attacks that Israel has waged over the years... then you may speak.

No no no my Floridian friend.

Let's take over Mexico AND Canada.

Taking over Mexico would be a lot easier. It would solve the illegal alien problem and for me there is an added benefit. If my wife and I ever divorced, I can't get the little plot of land that she owns in Baja. OTOH, if Mexico becomes the 51st state, I can then own land in Mexico and...if we ever divorce, her property becomes fair play for me....

:D :D :D

Or, we can drill, horizontally, off Key West, and "steal" Castro's oil....

Won't answer the first question even, will you? You know, the one about who started it. Seems from that set of dates, the ball was started rolling by your friends. Yet you insisted that it was started by the Isreali. Oh, wait, I know. Get educated or read the book. (Note no real book referenced)

Yes, everybody needs an education but you. How nice we have you to guide us. :rolleyes: Seems like that is your answer when you don't want to answer a question. Good duck. Better yet, why don;t you share your education instead of hiding behind "Read the book. Get educated. Get Stuffed."

Ah, but if he did then he'd have to crawl out from the cryptic remarks that lead nowhere and admit that his buddies also do unsavory things and therefore have no moral high ground whatsoever. Too bitter a pill for him to swallow.

That's the rumor.

My former Benz mechanic bought a house off the Keys...he keeps telling me that I should go visit him and get some fishing in...

He also has offered to charter me his boat to go pick off refugees...oh well, that would be illegal.

What do you call a coyote who brings people across the straits? A dolphin? A shark? :confused:

Oh Lordy lord...thank goodness we have GottaDiesel and those pusillanimous anti-zionists to educate us...oh my, where, oh where would we be without their guiding light.

The funny thing is that, except for his vitriolic anti-Jew and anti-Israel stand, I might like GD...of course that is a big "except" but he seems like an otherwise nice kid...his chess thread was a valiant effort at getting our minds off all of this fighting....

GD...look into your heart man, can't you see what those hezbo-thugs are doing?

Is English your second, third or fourth language?

The more you write, the less sense it makes.

Buena suerte y espero que las pulgas no te muerdan muy fuerte esta noche.

Don't bother explaining things to MTU...he is still trying to figure out the
"tacos perros noche" thing.

I blame that one on the last two Kirin Ichibans...

I thought it was illegal only if you get caught and convicted?

Good beer. :)

Mike

Domo arigato....Mr. Roboto :D

Well, the same can be said for all crimes...:eek: :D :eek:

So am I........and I lived in Mexico for a few years:P

It is just three random words...mean nothing except...dogs, tacos and night.

That is all...

But now that MTU and his wife have made such a big fuss, I may start or sponsor a band and name it "PERROS TACOS NOCHE" :D

Have there been proxy wars fought on this scale before?

Hezbollah is representing the Muslim world, Israel is representing the west. There is no way to monitor the resources flowing into either, and both sides are ignoring agreements to limit the conflict. Both sides have external backing for weapons, supplies, and equipment. But once their manpower starts to drop, what then?

Despite the carnage, many Arabs still support Hezbollah 100%. This even as their own lives are in shambles and their homes destroyed. Even if Israel manages to wipe out all Hezbollah activity is south Lebanon, how long before Hezbollah North sets up new artilliary to start over again, given its strong popular support?

Israel is representing itself.

Except for the U.S. (and sometimes Great Britain) the rest of teh West couldn't care less what happens to Israel.

That is especially true for the anti-Semitic, Jew-hating French.

But you're not a bigot.... right? right? right?... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yes, I am a bigot...you got me...

I am bigoted against hateful, stupid, a@@holes, Jew-haters who pretend to be fair minded when, in fact, they are just anti-Semites and Jew-haters.

Do you know anyone like that GD...do you? do you? Do you?

Well GD...here, let me help you (handing you a mirror) ...now, do you see anone like that?

Back to the name calling.

Go fight for the people you love so much you piece of trash.

Jeeze, what a total mindless ass-hat. Go to Hebron -- I hear it is wonderful there. Enjoy your armored bus.

(Edited... I didn't mean to call you an ass-hat twice. Once is enough.)

Ḥevron = Hebron... for you.

Wow...

Damn...

Judging from your very mature reaction ( :rolleyes: ), hearing the ugly, unpleasant truth about yourself must REALLY suck.

Mike

Oh my...the little boy has finally shed his adult clothing and is behaving like the foul mouthed little brat boy he is.

Do you kiss your mom with that mouth little boy?

Why don't YOU go to the ME, and do like the American Taliban, and join hamas, hezbollah or whatever. Maybe they will shove a stick dynamite in a place usually reserved for #2 and then you can walk into a pizza parlor full of innocent shopper and try to blow yourself up....

Now, go to the board and write 100 times:

I WILL NOT USE FOUL LANGUAGE WHEN SPEAKING TO MY SUPERIORS :D :D

On more to show the animal that you are:

"In 1994, an Israeli Jewish settler Baruch Goldstein opened fire on Muslims at prayer in the Ibrahimi Mosque, killing 29."

Remind me again how you are peace-loving?

Please?

Remind me?

Sorry, pal -- you support murder -- and you don't seem to care.

I think you may have MPD (That's multiple personality disorder) -- you are the foul-mouthed asshat. Not me. I never once initated in the name calling, I only went to your level because I feel you need to talk to trash at their own level, lucky for you I was able to go down to your level.

Now run along. I think your bus leaves for Hebron soon... please go there. Bring a few friends. It is very safe now, really, honest. I promise.

It's a bus -- room for you too if I recall, you are strict supporter of Israel -- they can do no wrong in you mind. IIRC.

A bunch of muslim-arabs-terrorists hjack 4 planes and fly three of them into american buildings, killing innocent Americans, in the worst act of terrorism the world has ever witnessed. (The 4th plane is "spared" the same fate when American heroes decide to take action and kick some muslim-arab-terrorist ass).

Who are the animals? You self-hating worthless piece of human debris...

You not only support murder, you are so far in bed with your muslim-araba-palestinian-terrorist friends that you have lost all objectivity.

Again I ask you, and don;t hide anymore...what have you got against Jews? What have Jews done to YOU?

Are you an Arab? A Muslim? A Palestinian? those are fair questions, and don't hide behidn the bigot name-calling subterfuge.

Be a man, and at least earn some respect here (which you have all but lost) and admit that you hate Jews...I am not the only one who has asked you to be a man and admit to your hatred...but you keep obfuscating....

If it weren't for you bigoted hatred of Jews and your self-loathing behavior, you would almost be funny.

I held a mirror up to you and you found yourself in my coments...

Now, be a good boy and behave yourself....

Hahahahaha, you bring up 9/11... that is about all you can bring up.

1994>Your people murdered> look at my previous post.

I am American. You are not. Clearly you are Jewish and/or support them -- go to Israel. You are no American.

"In 1994, an Israeli Jewish settler Baruch Goldstein opened fire on Muslims at prayer in the Ibrahimi Mosque, killing 29."

"USS Liberty"

"30+ Children Killed (And that's just recently)"

"UN Out Post"

Have your people put that on FOX -- Murderer.

"In 1994, an Israeli Jewish settler Baruch Goldstein opened fire on Muslims at prayer in the Ibrahimi Mosque, killing 29."

"USS Liberty"

"30+ Children Killed (And that's just recently)"

"UN Out Post"

Have your people put that on FOX -- Murderer.

(Opps, double post... but maybe he'll see it this time!) ;)
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I am an American...I chose to live here and I chose to have my family here...you, on the other hand were born here due to a biological accident....

I am not a self-loathing American, however.

Didn't your mom ever teach you that children ought to be seen but not heard...

Be a good boy....

I am a good boy. ;) My mommy taught me to speak out against the un-just and defend the people that can't defend themselves. Your mommy clearly taught you that it is ok to murder and hurt others because you are the chosen ones or support the chosen ones. Biological accident? Please a piece of trash like you... now that's a funny one.

I'm a "strict supporter of Israel"?

Obviously you need to brush up on your reading skills and/or memory retention skills a bit.

I support them FAR less than you apparently support the various terrorist organizations that are out to destroy them.

Israel has a looooooong laundry list of bone-headed behavior to answer for, and I have said as much many, many times on this forum.

However... since Hezbollah started kidnapping and killing soldiers and lobbing rockets at Israeli neighborhoods without any provocation, while aided by the hospitality and the tacit, if not actual, approval of their current "hosts" (Lebanon)... I find it difficult to feel much sympathy for those who are on the receiving end of Israel's quite understandable and quite justified response.

In my opinion, they are ALL morons (Israel INCLUDED) who will not stop killing each other and destroying everything they have ever built (which admittedly is not much in most cases)..... So I don't feel much sorrow for ANY of them, really... and will not ever, until they get smart and learn to get along, and to use their resources for something other than attempting to exterminate one another.

However, YOU continually seem to be in support of those who are the MOST violent and mindless.... and you repeatedly provide evidence that you have some kind of PERSONAL vendetta against Israel, and against anyone who has anything good or supportive to say about them. Every time someone backs you into a corner on the subject, you start spouting mindless, thinly disguised anti-Semitic drivel.

Provide either some evidence to the contrary, or stop verbally assaulting everyone who is merely "calling a duck a duck".

Mike

I stand corrected... my mistake. :)

So you are saying that the people that blew up the 30+ babies (The IDF) were extremists (????????????????) Or the IDF's planes when they did the USS Liberty? OR the Out Post?

Which one? Huh? Come on now.