I know exactly what you mean. Think how much better off we'd be now had we not blown trillions defeating Germany, Italy and Japan and then rebuilding them!

B

You can't really equate WWII with most other military actions, but thanks for trying.

I thought you were talking about the spending associated with military action, in which case, the argument stands.

B

Bravo Benz LGB
 

[QUOTE=BENZ-LGB]Oh Bot, you and your obscure Biblical references.

Everything was just honkey-dorey until Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier...then Hezbollah (sp?) just had to get into the act.


Thats exactly right! The Israeli Govt has strained to give the Palestinians their fair share in recent years, but the extremists still have their damned gripes. The Hezbollah obviously didnt figure on Israels military excellence, after all, do the Hezbollah use geocentric orbiting sattellites to guide their laser and telemetry guided munitions to within 6 feet of their targets? The Hezbollah are launching missiles at nothern Israel that have the same compairable guidance system as a one penny bottle rocket. They dont even have an old Piper Cub to get into the air. They were finished even before they started. In a few more days, there wont be a single weapon left for those fruitcakes to fire at Israel. Its a terrible shame too, the innocent civilians of Lebanon are paying a terrible price for all of this, maybe next time, Hamas and the Hezbollah should try asking the U.N. and Israel, nicely for what they need or want, and maybe they might be surprised on how diplomacy might be their secret key to success.....

What innocent people in Lebanon? You mean the ones that allowed Hezbollh to come in? Or were you talking about the ones that made them part of the government? Or the ones that they were supposed to disarm but looked the other way and did the above instead?

In my book, that makes you a part of the fight. I don't look at the person and say "Oh, you don't have a rifle so you are not fighting. You are innocent.". You knowlngly give directions to a bomber and you are just as bad as him. You give him money and you are of the same ilk. No, they are not innocent. They are just as guilty. Right or wrong is another issue here. What is at hand is that they have made themselves part of the fight and if it turns, so be it. If we are targeted because we gave aid to Isreal and that makes us guilty, it makes Lebanon just as guilty as Hezbollah and Iran and Syria.

I think he means the little kids who have no saying on who goes in and out of their neighborhoods.

Hezbollah does not, and could not, give a damn what happens to innocent lives. Just like they couldn't care less what happened to the UN observers.

This morning my daughter and I went to the beach. She went surfing and I went bike riding. When we were getting ready toleave it just hit me how good we have it here in the US. It also hit me how horrible it would be if some demented terrorists decided to park their rocket launchers in my neighborhood or ont he beach where my kids and I go--thus inviting a strike from the other side.

i feel sorry for the Lebanese people. Before Syria decided to turn Lebanon into a guerilla training base and a shooting range, Lebanon was a fairly nice country to live in--the Switzerland of the Mediterranean.

All that this extremist terrorists have managed to accomplish is to destroy a once beautiful country.

And I would join you on that fight S-n-T.

If that were the case, they would have been long gone from there. They paid off the locals with all the good stuff they did, fix houses for free (Jihad Construction) and many others. Well, you took the goods, don't be surprised when the bill comes. That would be like me going to a 5 star restaurant and ordering all kinds of good food and the best wines and then get upset when the meal ends and the bill is presented.

I look at it this way. When Salman Rushdie had his book going, all kinds of protests were heard. When the Danish cartoonist drew the cartoon, all kinds of storms. However, when OBL rammed planes into our buildings in the name of Islam, not a peep. So, it means that they can mobilize if something is said about them that is incorrect. So, what does that lead me to believe? That the barrel is good but for a few bad apples or that the barrel is pretty much rotten with a good apple here and there? I mean, if someone went out there killing people in the name of the Smith family and I was a smith, you bet I would stand up and denounce that guy saying he doesn't speak for me. But if I don't, what does it signify?

Which is the lessor evil? If you denounce the Smiths you might get stung by them. However, would you rather be stung by the people they irritate?

That is what parents are for. I don't like green people with one leg and one eye on the corner of 5th and Main. Fine. We can live with it. The bullet doesn't like anybody and you cannot live with it. The bullet is non-discriminatory. Man, woman and children are the same to it. Therefore, if as a parent, you couldn;t care less to not involve your kids in these issues and invite people who fire rockets at others, why should I sympathize when your kids get blown up in a rocket attack?

But yet the locals welcome them with open arms. What should I gather from that?

Then it woul behoove you to remove these people from your neighbourhood. Tell them to take it elsewhere instead of inviting them for coffee. If enough of you want them out, they will have to leave.

[QUOTE=dave_rose69]I think we wouldn't be surprised at what diplomacy would bring but it's a non-starter to begin with. Even the harshest of diplomatic solutions isn't going to involve the eradication of Israel and the jewish people. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah will not diplomatically negotiate or will quickly break whatever agreements are negotiated. Their goal is the eradication of Israel and Judaism. It's really very simple.

Obviously you look to who will kill you now and not who will do it next week.

That is true. However, in the case of Hezbollah, they didn't do that. Hezbollah has long realized that is counterproductive. They would be fighting 2 fronts. This way, they have one front and a shield. They bought over the people via services, money, etc, etc. So in their case, they ate the fine dinner and now they are having to pay the check

regardless of the niceties that Hezbollah purchases for the folks, what do you think the end result would be for a family in southern Lebanon that went out campaigning against Hezbollah a la Cindy Sheehan style?

Fatwah style!