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JamesDean · #1 08-31-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

If your point is that electronic balloting is a dumb idea, I'm with you 100%. I think it is stupid and subject to gross manipulation. I'd rather have paper and pen and a blue finger. But we're too damned sophisticated for that.

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this is my point. no paper trail? so evidence towards who you actually voted for? You say this but the machine says otherwise. i agree with you that every method has ways of fraud...even te paper ones..i read an article in my paper about a voting place in the next town over...a man was sitting in the back room ripping up all the ballots with democrat on them.

what bothers me is what about all those people's votes?

computers are much easier to manipulate than paper...a few keystrokes and votes could be changed..no one would be the wise...

shoulnt exit poll's match the actual votes? to a certain degree i mean not 100% accurate...

Carleton Hughes · #2 08-31-2006, 07:21 PM

A friend knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows this guy who saw it happen.

BENZ-LGB · #3 08-31-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

A friend knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows this guy who saw it happen.

You liberal you....

sfloriII · #4 09-03-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

A friend knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows this guy who saw it happen.

Dang!!! Just one more degree of separation and I could logically conclude that Kevin Bacon did, indeed, rig the election!!

JamesDean · #5 09-05-2006, 03:02 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/09/just_try_voting_here.html

so, is it bad that my state makes the top 11...three times?

JamesDean · #6 09-18-2006, 05:46 PM

ok i came across an ariticle on the Digg...reguarding stealing the election...

now some of you are thinking that it probably just some dumb blogger with some images......

this one is from princeton university

http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/

Botnst · #7 08-31-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

this is my point. no paper trail? so evidence towards who you actually voted for? You say this but the machine says otherwise. i agree with you that every method has ways of fraud...even te paper ones..i read an article in my paper about a voting place in the next town over...a man was sitting in the back room ripping up all the ballots with democrat on them.

what bothers me is what about all those people's votes?

computers are much easier to manipulate than paper...a few keystrokes and votes could be changed..no one would be the wise...

shoulnt exit poll's match the actual votes? to a certain degree i mean not 100% accurate...

In my state we've been using mechanical voting machines for decades but some buttwipes in state gov wanted to switch to electronic. They claim it is cheaper. I think it is stoopid. But apparently my opinion is in the minority.

Of all the voter fraud possibilities I think the greatest one is from who gets to vote. I think there should be strict voter registration. Other people think that too, is subject to abuse, which it is. So which error is worse, letting people vote who should not or preventing people from voting who should? I think it depends mostly on where the greater source of fraud is. At this time and in my state the greater source of fraud (IMO) is from dead voters and unregistered voters and dual registered voters.

Concerning exit polling, I would agree in a strict statistical sense, that exit polls should match actual polls. However, I've fooled with statistical sampling and design enough to know that it is not too difficult to get spurious results. Usually bad results are due to mistakes (technically, there's a difference between mistakes and errors. There are two types of errors, both of which are due to technicalities of methodology. Mistakes are also known as blunders, and those are due to human failings)

Human beings are a silly bunch. They can drive to the poll with one opinion and get inside the booth and have a change of heart. They can know they are voting against what their neighbors think. They can make mistakes when talking to pollsters. I have a colleague who intentionally answers political polls in a manner different from what she believes. She doesn't like it that many people are swayed in their opinions by what polls say, so her bit of rage against the machine is to lie to pollsters.

I agree with her sentiment concerning people being swayed by polls. Polls should be descriptive, not prescriptive.

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