Does anybody have a link to that Twilight Zone movie he talks about? I would love to watch that episode but not sure where to find it on the internet....

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found it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IF9eKkVc-8


Just finished watching the episode. It's pretty believable that humans would actually do such a thing.

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Definitely one of the more creative episodes.

Saints be praised, hallilujah. The scales have fallen from my eyes.

KO, warts and all, speaks truth to power more often than is normal on American Corporate Media, a subsidiary of Disney.

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After watching, ad nauseum, ALL the 9/11 coverage before, during, and post the time of 9/11 (+ 5 years) ... I thought I had seen everything ...

THEN...

Olbermann on MSNBC, looking up at the camera...blaming Bush because there's no gold-plated plaques honoring Keith for spearheading a monument on the site...

Crime-In-Italy! Bush caused the Jonestown Massacre - Bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki - led Mexico's invasion on the Alamo (Wait 'til the Texans find out about THAT!) and was behind the WACO Burn-down/Flatten-out cover-up w/David Koresh!

Doesn't anyone understand how the government works (Or, in the real case, doesn't perform?)?

That property belongs to the NY Transit Authority (Or whatever they call it...), not the Federal Government. If the NYTA doesn't have jurisdiction, then there has to be a myriad of alphabet organizations, associated with either New York State, New York City or New Jersey that have claim on the property WELL BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Unless the WTC Towers' Owners'/Leaseholders' have signed over the property BACK TO the NY Authorities, then the WTC group gets to decide what's happening w/the property...unlike the Gettysburg property and the fact that Lincoln and that "little situation" happened over 130-some-odd years ago, this WTC property isn't part of the government's list of owned properties.

So unless "Uncle George" drops the deed for the land on the table, Olbermann has his head up his butt.

It's obvious that Keith hasn't been paying too much attention to what was going on concerning the site. He just "cherry-picked" phrases and quotes from unknown sources and scribbled a knee-jerk, leftist, tear-jerking rant on Bush.

It's no surprise to anyone that Keith has a problem w/the Bush administration. But, it's quite obvious to a non-regular viewer that Keith was on a personal rampage with his rant against Bush. I remember flipping Keith off about the time he got to his "...later, Mr. Bush, we are still fighting the terrorists on these streets. And look carefully, sir, on these 16 empty acres. The terrorists are clearly, still winning."

Just like Bill Clinton, if you have no respect for the person in the office because you refer to the office-holder as "Mr. X" instead of "President X" I'll take everything you say following that statement not as a legit reporter, but as a two-bit cry-baby that has his own agenda to present and is not interested in what the rest of people want, need or care about. You're doing nothing but pandering to your own personal interests. And that, in a nut-shell is nothing less than selfish and sad.

It's that type of reporting - hatefull, bombastic, illogical, and inaccurate reporting, that makes a mockery of the business of reporting. It's anything but reporting. It's editorializing. IMHO. Nothing more. Nothing less.

But for MSNBC, or any other alphabet-network out there, to continue to allow this type of programming to continue, under the 'guise that this is news, is doing nothing but a disservice to the real business of reporting news.

News is suppose to be about FACTS. Not rumors. Not suspicions. Facts and only facts. Yes, there was a car crash. No, we were not there to see if the driver had a cell-phone stuffed in his right ear, a "40" in his left hand and his knee steering the car. So, we're not going to mention it..." Listen to the news and LISTEN to WHAT is being SAID.

You'd be surprised by what is insinuated. Not facts, suspicions. "We think we know what happened. Look for the real facts in your local paper, two pages from the back, lower right-hand column, in a few days. In the mean-time, film at 11!"

Olbermann - leftist hack-job reporter - I have no idea what he's like in the sporting world. Apparently, he's on ESPN Radio w/Dan Patrick on either Wednesdays or Thursdays. I'll give him this much...his voice is great for radio...but on TV, IMHO, he's definately full of himself.


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Olbermann = -Limbaugh

reminds me of the Doonesbury characters (names escape me) in which one is a conservative Log Cabin Repo power-broking insider and the other is a successful gay leftist radio talk show host (like either of those is going to happen). They fall in love, move in together, and argue politics on-air.

If only life would, in this one instance, imitate art.

Bot

Megaburger, your rant was fun to read.

I've never seen Olberman, but I would wager that he's as much of an entertainer as is Hannity or, as Bot pointed out, Limbaugh.

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Olbermann has his issues but he's way, way more insightful that Limbaugh or Hannity, trust me.

Mgburg, KO's piece there was a bit overly theatrical, but I'm sorry: Dubya-dubs and crew are the most shameful bunch of opportunistic, lying propagandists to come into power in my lifetime certainly, and perhaps in the history of our republic.

On top of that, they are competent only at enriching their friends and associates. The nation as a whole is deeply in debt, the trade deficit sets a new record every year, and most anyone with a shred of honesty knows that Iraq is beyond lost and is now just bleeding American blood and treasure. And if you think I'm full of it there, tell me I'm still full of it a year or two from now.

Olbermann has the guts to put it on the table. I'm amazed that (MS)NBC lets him do it. They fired Phil Donahue for saying similar stuff. Dubya was more popular then, though.

Besides, those cable shows are about half editorial opinion and no secret is made of that. It's not hard news, like Leher or Cronkite. Couric is largely editorial content according to one analysis I heard. I wouldn't be surprised.

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It's a business. One suspects that Olbermann must have a very committed audience which despite it's small size, a profitable venture. MSNBC has been trying to find an audience since it's inception. It has tried to work on a model similar to FoxNews--mostly analysis and commentary with very low first-person news gathering which vastly reduces overhead.

The problem for MSNBC (as I see it) is that it is competing with all of the other center-leftish broadcast news outlets: all of them except FoxNews which has carefully targeted a center-right audience that had no home prior to FoxNews. I'll bet that FoxNews would have to have a scandal far larger than Rathergate to alienate their audience. Where would they go? There is no alternative for them.

It surprises me quite a bit that Air America seems to have failed. Why could it never attract an audience of leftie radio listeners? I know, I know, the righties say that their listeners are 'too smart' to buy into a leftie radio channel. I don't believe that for a second. Not to disparage the listenership on talk radio, but I don't think it is either content of the programs nor brains of the listener. I think that Air America had a flawed business model.

It is very strange that lefties haven't written a news-talk radio business plan or model borrowing from the most successful one in American history. Rush Limbaugh.

Rush didn't start hugely bankrolled on a national scale. He started in small AM markets and refined his method as he went, learning from failures (I understand he had a hard time getting started in communications) and expanding on successes. His listenership grew with him into the leviathan. Both have, I believe, shed some mass over the recent few years.

That doesn't mean adopting Limbaugh's positions or predicating one's positions on being the anti-Limbaugh. That too would be doomed. they key would be to have somebody with a compelling radio voice, a naturally sharp-witted sense of humor, charismatic on radio, and above-all, utter faith in and passion for his own perspective. It must be built around that man or woman, from which if successful, the network will emerge. Not a national network which hires commentators.

Who would be a good leftie commentator? Not Franken. Though he is a good writer and has a much better sense of humor (IMO) than Limbaugh and is at least as committed to his perspective as Limbaugh to his. But he has small talent for radio. His voice is obnoxious and he has no sense of the tempo of radio.

The perfect leftie radio commentator would have the voice of James Earl Jones, the humor of Franken, and the political savvy of Bill Clinton. Also, start small in some captive rural or semi-rural radio listenership. Buld from there as Limbaugh did. Nothing sells radio advertising like proven success. So sell Birkenstocks and tofu. Steal the local Snapple advertising from the canned and syndicated rightie they put on. This would build listenership buy being a part of the local community's perspective and teach the commentator to always view the listeners as a small group of friends, not some mass political agenda. That combination would be devastating to the conservative hegemony of radio broadcast commentary.

B

It isn't looking good for Air America, it's true. I agree with you on Franken. The guy can get obnoxious though I frequently like his material. The real king of insufferability was Mike Malloy, recently fired. Bitter bile, unreconstructed.

Randy Rhodes (sp) is interesting. She comes up with some good material but even I can only take her in limited doses.

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I may have seen Rhodes on TV giving some sort of perspective to fairly balance the punditry on some news analysis program or other. I don't know for sure. If it was her then I found her forgettably inoffensive. That is another attribute nobody on any side will ever save of Limbaugh. Love him or hate him, the bond is strong between Limbaugh and his listeners. That is how a liberal will get air play. Dunno Malloy.

Concerning Franken, he is no more or less obnoxious than any other radio commentator. If he had a voice like James Earl Jones he'd sure as heck be popular. Instead, the Repo machine is blest with an opponent whose presentation voice is excruciating.

Thinking about it, Olbermann, if he were willing to grow the business bottom-up, would be a good choice for the moderate lefty radio commentator. His voice is pleasant and his delivery is good. I don't know enough about him to have a useful opinion about whether he is a puppet or a self-starter. To carry a whole show on radio, where camera mugging isn't useful, I should think the commentator would have to be the real-deal.

B

i agree with much of the first post's points about politicizing 9 11, enriching political friends, muzzlling opponents and demonstrators and spinning 9 11 for promoting political agenda (terror? a tax cut will help, sluggish economy? a tax cut for the rich will help. war? a tax cut for the rich....etc.) another tax cut for the super rich is the solution to everything.

but as far as not having a building there yet..... i completely understand that. first, it is a huge mess. even if the towers had been systmatically demolished and new buildings constructed in their place, even if you rebuilt exactly the same thing with no additional design etc. because of the magnitude of the buildings it would not yet be finished.

now considering that it IS a political issue, and considering it is the site of so many anonomous dead (not anonomous to their loved ones, just anonomous in the fact that their remains are ..... not remaining.) anyone thoughtful person would proceed with caution.

tom w

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So three buildings not rebuilt and $25bn allocated (is that right? Not sure) after 5 years is timely.

A half a city destroyed and 300,000 displaced people and not recovered within a year is not timely recovery and thus, an expression of incompetency.

B

Rhodes I wouldn't call forgettably inoffensive. She cab be pretty caustic and quite witty as well. The SF clear channel group carries a lot of the Air America group as well as Ed Schultz on KQKE, "the Quake." Rhodes is the one AA host with staying power. Schultz (not AA) is better than I thought he'd be when I heard excerpts of him at the outset of his carreer.

I think Olbermann's his own man somehow. He can witty and warm along with that overly serious, semi-self righteous thing he does.

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