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Botnst · #61 09-18-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by soypwrd

Just voted in the Republican primary here last week. Why would I want to be a Democrat?

Whatever label you prefer is fine with me. I don't give a damn.

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soypwrd · #62 09-18-2006, 04:07 PM

I don`t like labels, nor do I fit into a pigeon hole. You just insinuated that I was a Dem, I believe. I don`t give a damn either.

Brian Carlton · #63 09-18-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Where, oh where, have I written (or for that matter concluded) that, "...one must be a liberal to properly observe human behavior."

Or is that an ad hoc argument, created just to fit this particular situation?

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Liberals think that the American public is nothing but morons.

Conservatives, on the other hand, give people credit for being intelligent enough to do things like, for example, spend their own hard earned money (and not tax them to death)

You give people credit for being intelligent.........

Therefore, you have not observed human behavior........

Pretty easy for me to arrive at that conclusion. Don't even need an ad-hoc argument.

Botnst · #64 09-18-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by soypwrd

I don`t like labels, nor do I fit into a pigeon hole. You just insinuated that I was a Dem, I believe. I don`t give a damn either.

Oh yeah? You antilabelite!

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soypwrd · #65 09-18-2006, 06:15 PM

Why thank you sir.

BENZ-LGB · #66 09-18-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You give people credit for being intelligent.........

Therefore, you have not observed human behavior........

Pretty easy for me to arrive at that conclusion. Don't even need an ad-hoc argument.

I have observed more human behavior, good and bad, than I care to discuss.

Just in my years as prosecutor I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly to coin a phrase.

I give people credit for being able to, for the most part, eventually figure things out on their own.

It must be a pretty sad existence, for you, if you assume that everyone that you come across is a moron.

Botnst · #67 09-18-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

I have observed more human behavior, good and bad, than I care to discuss.

Just in my years as prosecutor I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly to coin a phrase.

I give people credit for being able to, for the most part, eventually figure things out on their own.

It must be a pretty sad existence, for you, if you assume that everyone that you come across is a moron.

But look on the bright side: How smart Brian must be if the rest of us, as brainy as we think we are, are morons. The guy is freaking Einstein! We are blest by his company.

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BENZ-LGB · #68 09-18-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

But look on the bright side: How smart Brian must be if the rest of us, as brainy as we think we are, are morons. The guy is freaking Einstein! We are blest by his company.

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I hope that was not an ad hominem attack, was it?

Brian Carlton · #69 09-18-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

It must be a pretty sad existence, for you, if you assume that everyone that you come across is a moron.

Now, there you go, making assumptions about me. I told you that "the average person is a moron". This means that there are people who are less than average and there are people that are greater than average. Therefore, not everyone is a moron. But, in my daily travels, I run into a considerable number of them every day. And, I don't assume anything. It's my interaction that allows me to draw the conclusion.

Sometimes I encounter one person who is sharp as a tack and can instantly grasp my requirements and take care of them without any BS. This is especially gratifying and it can really make my day. Unfortunately, it's a rare occurrence.

Brian Carlton · #70 09-18-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

But look on the bright side: How smart Brian must be if the rest of us, as brainy as we think we are, are morons. The guy is freaking Einstein! We are blest by his company.

B

Conclusion based upon facts not in evidence. I never stated where I fit in the spectrum. I'm sure that there are folks that consider me a moron. So be it.

BENZ-LGB · #71 09-18-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Now, there you go, making assumptions about me.

And you assumed that I wrote that everyone I meet, or come across, is intelligent.

But leaving that argument aside for a moment, it is still a pretty darned sad state of affairs for you to assume that the average person is a moron.

I prefer to think that the average person is intelligent enough to figure things out.

You are a pessimist about the human condiiton. I am an optimist about the human condition.

If you approach people thinking that the average person is a moron, you are bound to have your assumptions confirmed. That is because beliefs influence behavior.

I prefer to think that all people are possessed of, at the very least, ordinary intelligence. I treat them like that and they usually respond in a positive manner.

Of course, if and when they act like a moron, I then treat them accordingly.

But you know, enough of this (at least for me). If you want to think that the average person is a moron, that is your problem, your issue or your "whatever." It really makes no difference to me.

But do not make the fatal assumption of thinking that because I give people credit for their abilities that I have not observed human nature. In fact, observing human nature, and being able to make quick (and correct) assumptions based upoon my observations is an important tool in my chosen profession.

During jury selection I have to make on the fly assumptions about people. And because I have to prove the People's case to EVERY juror, beyond a resonable doubt, I can't afford to be wrong about my assumptions.

Have you sent the changer to Alpine, or are you using it as a paperweight/door stop. Let me know how that works out.

Brian Carlton · #72 09-18-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

If you approach people thinking that the average person is a moron, you are bound to have your assumptions confirmed. That is because beliefs influence behavior.

I prefer to think that all people are possessed of, at the very least, ordinary intelligence. I treat them like that and they usually respond in a positive manner.

Of course, if and when they act like a moron, I then treat them accordingly.

But you know, enough of this (at least for me). If you want to think that the average person is a moron, that is your problem, your issue or your "whatever." It really makes no difference to me.

But do not make the fatal assumption of thinking that because I give people credit for their abilities that I have not observed human nature. In fact, observing human nature, and being able to make quick (and correct) assumptions based upoon my observations is an important tool in my chosen profession.

During jury selection I have to make on the fly assumptions about people. And because I have to prove the People's case to EVERY juror, beyond a resonable doubt, I can't afford to be wrong about my assumptions.

Have you sent the changer to Alpine, or are you using it as a paperweight/door stop. Let me know how that works out.

This is where you err.

I do not head into the interaction with the belief that the person is a moron. I, similar to yourself, make the assumption that the individual is capable of doing the job for which they are paid or is capable of understanding the goods and services for which they purchase.

However, 9 times out of 10, my observations are quite the opposite.

In my business dealings, I simply expect that I receive the product or service for which I pay for in a timely manner. 9 times out of 10 I am disappointed. The product is not of the quality that I had stated that I require and the service is later than promised nearly 100% of the time. Why is this? Because the vendor cannot manage his business in a suitable manner to provide what he has contracted to do.

In other business dealings, I have the need for a product from distributors. I go into the interaction assuming that the distributor of the product will have some limited product knowledge and be able to provide a price and a delivery. I recently had a distributor claim, after delaying me by one week, that he was unable to obtain the product from the manufacturer. Note, however, that the manufacturer was the one who pointed me to the distributor. The manufacturer was quite apologetic and allowed me to purchase the item directly, in violation of his distributor agreements. This is one example of the opposite to the "average person" conclusion.

In personal observations, we recently, on a separate thread, discussed folks who get into ARM mortgages that will increase in rate dramatically within a couple of years. They will scream that they were never informed of the fact that their 2% rate will increase even though the prime rate is now 8%. Are they responsible for their actions? Are these people what you would call "intelligent"?

I could continue for several pages regarding my observation of people and their inability to understand basic concepts or provide basic goods and/or services, but, I'll bet you're not the least bit interested.

If you have observed human nature, they you'll realize my position on the issue is not all that far off the mark. While you may be unwilling to admit it, your daily activites as a prosecutor would lend credence to this position.

The changer still has to go to Alpine..........but, I picked up another one on e-bay relatively cheaply near my shops in CT..........and I'll put that in for the interim. When I fix yours I'll probably put it in the SD. It's also got a suitable Alpine head unit.

BENZ-LGB · #73 09-18-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

...I'll bet you're not the least bit interested...

Finally, you got something right.

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When I fix yours I'll probably put it in the SD. It's also got a suitable Alpine head unit.

It is all yours now buster.

peragro · #74 09-18-2006, 10:47 PM

"the average person is a moron"

hmmm, this statement challenges the logic of statistics, math and reason.

How concisely incorrect in so many venues.

BENZ-LGB · #75 09-18-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

"the average person is a moron"

hmmm, this statement challenges the logic of statistics, math and reason.

How concisely incorrect in so many venues.

I didn't want to bring logic into this..but now that you have.