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Old 03-01-2007, 08:50 AM
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Sure it works, if you agree to the other side of the coin.

Govt. control of industry.

Artificial currency value.

Systematic removal whole villages and towns in the name of the motherland.

Rewriting the birth records to make people dissappear.

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China is what Castro aspires to be.

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Old 03-01-2007, 08:57 AM
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If you watch the series China Rising on the science channel I believe it describes China's economy. It's a very interesting series.

The thing I found most interesting was the finance minister? (I think that's what he's called) said the country's economy is tottering on the brink and could collapse at any time.

Now that's a comforting thought. I almost wish it would, we really need a wake up call here in the US.

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Old 03-01-2007, 09:04 AM
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the country's economy is tottering on the brink and could collapse at any time.
Danny,

The key question is:

Do you believe that? Yes/No?
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:37 AM
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They have a lot of problems. China has a long way to go, they still are not attracting any foriegn real estate investment. China has a long way to go, but lets see if they can't keep this up for another 30 years.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:41 PM
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They have a lot of problems. China has a long way to go, they still are not attracting any foriegn real estate investment. China has a long way to go, but lets see if they can't keep this up for another 30 years.
They are missing a system of checks and balances, and a lot of their information, especially economic, is double-counted or exaggerated. They are using these means to quell any potential uprising against the central government. So for now, while times are good, everyone is fairly content with the 'progress' that seems to be in motion. Eventually though, they will hit some kind of productivity ceiling. When and if that happens, the over-inflated numbers that they use now to paint that rosy picture will come crashing back at them. Not only that, the legacy they leave behind will be one of massive environmental destruction.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:45 PM
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They are missing a system of checks and balances, and a lot of their information, especially economic, is double-counted or exaggerated. They are using these means to quell any potential uprising against the central government. So for now, while times are good, everyone is fairly content with the 'progress' that seems to be in motion. Eventually though, they will hit some kind of productivity ceiling. When and if that happens, the over-inflated numbers that they use now to paint that rosy picture will come crashing back at them. Not only that, the legacy they leave behind will be one of massive environmental destruction.

Correct, they are literaly tens of thousands in uprisings per year. The PLA can keep enough of the population happy as long as times are good. But eventualy there needs to be change.

China is going to go through some sort of political change in the next 20 or so years, it depends on how they emerge. That will point to there future.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:46 PM
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So for now, while times are good, everyone is fairly content with the 'progress' that seems to be in motion. Eventually though, they will hit some kind of productivity ceiling. When and if that happens, the over-inflated numbers that they use now to paint that rosy picture will come crashing back at them...

Hmmm...sounded like the U.S. prior to the dotcom bubble bursting...anyone remember that?
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:54 PM
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Hmmm...sounded like the U.S. prior to the dotcom bubble bursting...anyone remember that?

No where near the same level. If China has a big bust and there history is any indicator you will see a bloody civil war that will probably kill millions.

People like to worry about China a lot, but when you get past all the politcal crap its a different story. Its a great country, with a great people, honestly I would like nothing more then to see us have a close relationship with them like we enjoy with the British. But they have huge massive problems, that they need to resolve before they can "pass us".

If you just look at international investment figures this proves this. People all over the world still see the US as a "safe bet", they are willing to invest in this country and in the US dollar. China is considered to be very risky, its still very tricky and can be risky to do business in China. You really have to know what you are doing.

People like to shoot off there mouth about this country, but look at what where there money goes...cash speaks louder then words.
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Danny,

The key question is:

Do you believe that? Yes/No?
I didn't make that up. One of the heads of state in China did.
Do I believe it? Why wouldn't I?
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I didn't make that up. One of the heads of state in China did.
Do I believe it? Why wouldn't I?
So if China says something, you believe it, do I understand you correctly?
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:14 PM
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So if China says something, you believe it, do I understand you correctly?
I believe he was being truthful when he said it. I never said I would believe anything anyone said, you made that part up.
I can't help wondering if theres any point to your questions???

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Old 03-01-2007, 02:16 PM
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I believe he was being truthful when he said it. I never said I would believe anything anyone said, you made that part up.
I cvan't help wondering if theres any point to your questions???

Danny
My point is that you indicated that you believed what a person wrote. I was interested in learning why you feel that way -- if it was perhaps your nature to just believe what people say, or if you had some other insight.
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:02 AM
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Sure it works, if you agree to the other side of the coin.

Govt. control of industry.

Artificial currency value.

Systematic removal whole villages and towns in the name of the motherland.

Rewriting the birth records to make people dissappear.

..
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etc.

China is what Castro aspires to be.

Nah... we don't have anything like that...

1) OSHA, DEP, EPA, SEC, and more.

2) Our currency is so over inflated at the moment it isn't even funny -- google search for more.

3) eminent domain - talk to anyone who has had entire (or portions) parcels of land taken for far less than the developed value.

4) Nah... this never happens. Our government doesn't do things that could hurt the people. We didn't nuclear test in the Nevada, We didn't do radiation testing on thyroids, and we certainly never allowed anything like the tuskegee experiments to take place.

5) In addition, we have countless local, county, state, and federal workers who suck our pockets dry with job security while others in the community go hungry or just scrape by.

We live in a nation that is "representative of the people" yet those that represent us travel everywhere in limousines and eat the finest foods.

And the "Common Good" -- a cloak for communism -- take a look at how our entire society is forced to pay for the education of other people's children. If I have 1 kid or 10 kids, my tax burden is the same -- and if anything, the more kids I have the LESS I pay in taxes.

So, please, while I don't want to live in a communist nation, let's not make it out to be so far from how we live - the reality is, it isn't.

And as of late -- more so is -- speak out against the administration and you have laws "enforced" to keep you from doing so. (example: Cindy Sheehan @ Bush Ranch).

We live in a wonderful land, and yes, it is far better than many -- but there are many with better attributes in some respects -- ones we should strive to emulate and others we shouldn't. I find we have, as of late, striven to emulate the latter.

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Nah... we don't have anything like that...

1) OSHA, DEP, EPA, SEC, and more.

2) Our currency is so over inflated at the moment it isn't even funny -- google search for more.

3) eminent domain - talk to anyone who has had entire (or portions) parcels of land taken for far less than the developed value.

4) Nah... this never happens. Our government doesn't do things that could hurt the people. We didn't nuclear test in the Nevada, We didn't do radiation testing on thyroids, and we certainly never allowed anything like the tuskegee experiments to take place.

5) In addition, we have countless local, county, state, and federal workers who suck our pockets dry with job security while others in the community go hungry or just scrape by.

We live in a nation that is "representative of the people" yet those that represent us travel everywhere in limousines and eat the finest foods.

And the "Common Good" -- a cloak for communism -- take a look at how our entire society is forced to pay for the education of other people's children. If I have 1 kid or 10 kids, my tax burden is the same -- and if anything, the more kids I have the LESS I pay in taxes.

So, please, while I don't want to live in a communist nation, let's not make it out to be so far from how we live - the reality is, it isn't.

And as of late -- more so is -- speak out against the administration and you have laws "enforced" to keep you from doing so. (example: Cindy Sheehan @ Bush Ranch).

We live in a wonderful land, and yes, it is far better than many -- but there are many with better attributes in some respects -- ones we should strive to emulate and others we shouldn't. I find we have, as of late, striven to emulate the latter.

Pete
Except for the bold, I think you finally got it right. i agree with all of the rest.

If China gets too big, who's going to start the war, them or us?
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Except for the bold, I think you finally got it right. i agree with all of the rest.

If China gets too big, who's going to start the war, them or us?
It would have to be them. Us starting a "war" with China would be akin to shooting yourself in the head with a rocket launcher -- they would destroy us economically (if they haven't already) -- and physically. Best to keep our "Friend" close.
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