Yep, you're correct on all points.

I've got a extreme, and probably irrational distaste for the people who drive those things and they typically make statements that attempt to justify their actions even when their actions are clearly against the law.

I did not wish to make a comparison between a moving violation and a violation concerning a misplaced license plate. Clearly they are not the same.

Yes, a bunch of sheep following whatever command they're given.

Change starts with someone saying something, then more people saying something, then an effective group acting in the best interest of the people, not sitting around saying well its the law. I had it coming...

If the law is so egregious that you feel the need to get an effective group together to change the law..........then, I'm in complete agreement with you.

But, I just don't see that happening in the case of a front license plate.

I'm quite sure that you can find an effective group of people who will lobby that the vehicle speed on the expressways should be 80mph. Good luck with that.

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Well, I never would have figured that it would be possible to get sufficient interest to overturn a law requiring a front license plate. More power to them.

We appreciate your continuing interest in the forum, and no, we don't know the deer's phone number, so you can stop following that thread.

I don't know, Brian. At least once per week, my $UV is almost blown off the road by some jerk in an overpowered German sedan. It may be possible that the $hitbox mentality you often discuss transcends one specific vehicle type.

Of course you're right Paul. It's a bit of obsession on my part. It just seems that the German sedan is perfectly fine at speed. The $hitbox is unable to stay within the lanes and appears to be on the verge of a catastrophe.

Furthermore, there are far more $hitboxes than there are German sedans........which further causes my bias against them.

IMHO The "American" front plate looks like garbage on many cars. The European front plate, no plate, or filler panel makes the car look much, much better.


There are several reasons why there should not be a front plate on a vehicle. One, it gives people the opportunity to add bling, bling to the front of their vehicles by adding a shiny or reflective front license plate frame to their vehicle. This can potentially be deistrating to other drivers, and they could ultimately have their attention pulled off their main task at hand, driving the vehicle.

A second reason for not having a front plate on a vehicle would be the coefficient of drag. Adding the front license plate to a vehicle adds a large, flat surface from the vehicle. This large flat surface can cometime be enough to reduce fuel economy on a vehicle a mile per gallon or two. By eliminating the front plate, we could see potential fuel savings, one which could potentially benefit everyone.

A third reason for not having a plate is the fact that some manufacturers do not simply drill the holes required for the mounting of the front plate. All of the Mercedes-Benzs, BMWs, Lexus, Acuras, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Ferraris do not have the front holes to mount the fron license plate. the 2002 G500 that we have does not have the front holes to mount the license plate. In order to have a front plate put onto one of these cars, you sometimes have to pay the dealer or a bodyshop an hours worth of labor to have them mount the front plate, plus the price of the bracket. Not to mention that in this case, the holes also detract from the beauty of the car, which could potentially lower the value of the car.

While many would see that it is simple and easy to mount the fron plate on a vehicle, consider this. A VERY, VERY close family friend bought a brand new Ferrari F430. He got a ticket for not having a plate on the front of his car. Would you consider this car to be a $hitbox? Its a two seater, purpose built car. Its purpose is to go fast around corners, and scream.


How about my mother driving her W463 on a daily basis? She drives 75mph on the freeway, one person, left-handed lane, going by people.. Would you consider that a $hitbox?

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I agree! Sounds like bull**** to me!

fictitious plates are any liscense plates that are not registered to the vehicle that they are on. For example, I have this lovely neighbor that calls the law on me because I have a car without a liscense plate on it. The law comes I get a ticket. Now if I put any old liscense plate on the car, the neighbor lady has no reason to call the law, but since the plates aren't registered to that car they are fictitious.

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thank you for the definition of ficticuos.

i knew that.

i did not understand your point though. and i still don't.

sorry.

tom w

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I wish more people thought like you.

I am getting tired of driving on crowded freeways.

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Why does it sound like Bull**** to you? I got the ticket, for "Smoking in the work place" which aparently IS against the law, in the state of California. The truck, is my work place. I mostly live in it also, But it is first, and foremost, my place of work. Why does it seem so hard for you to believe. I actually couldn't believe the cop actually even saw me doing it, to pull me over from so far away. He did though, and it cost me $177.00 American dollars for the damned ticket, in the end.
Instead of pulling me over for a legitmate violation, like speeding, permits, or an inspection, or something like that, he just gave me a ticket for that, and never even looked at anything else. This was only two months ago, near San Jose, California.

Imagine if he found you doing 110 mph with that rig.

Probably makes that ticket for smoking in the workplace look downright cheap.

Did you ever think that "what goes around...........comes around?