Canon Digital Rebel SLR Question - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

BENZ-LGB · #1 06-04-2007, 07:04 PM

I currently own a first generation Canon Rebel Digital SLR camera. That was Canon's first consumer level digital SLR camera.

It is rated at 6.3 megapixels.

I am vey happy with it and it meets all my current picture-taking needs. I have a number of other Canon film cameras (and a couple of Minoltas) but I never, ever use film anymore.

Anyhow, I was at a local camera store to buy my son an inexpensive point-and-shoot digital camera. Got him a Canon Powershot A550. Not their most expensive camera, but if anything happen to the camera it is not a big loss.

Anyhow, while at the store I saw two of Canon's new "consumer" digital SLRs. The Canon XT (8 megapixels) and the Canon XTi.

Now I want one!

Do you guys and gals know anything about the new Rebel XT or XTi?

With Father's Day coming up, I can always give myself a present.

I would appreciate your comments, suggestions.

And yes, I would keep the original Canon Rebel Digital as a back-up camera.

iwrock · #2 06-04-2007, 07:12 PM

My dads got an XTi. Kicks SERIOUS @$$!!!!!

Easy to use, fantastic photos, and I love the set of lenses that hes bought with it.

BENZ-LGB · #3 06-04-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by justinwrock

My dads got an XTi. Kicks SERIOUS @$$!!!!!

Easy to use, fantastic photos, and I love the set of lenses that hes bought with it.

Yep, 10 megapixels is a LOT of pixels.

Even m son's little point-and-shoot now comes with 7.1 megapixels.

You're not making this any easier for me.

I was hoping that someone would tell me to be sensible and not "waste" money on more cameras.

MBlovr · #4 06-04-2007, 08:15 PM

I bought my professional photographer (her ex kept all the equipment) fiance an XTi for Christimas. She just used in a wedding and said that it does everything that she needs it to do. She compared it to a 20D and 30D and chose the XTi.

Mistress · #5 06-04-2007, 09:19 PM

The real question is whatcha gonna do with the film SLR'S?

BENZ-LGB · #6 06-04-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

The real question is whatcha gonna do with the film SLR'S?

I may hang on to them. I am such a pack rat.

I have the Canon Elan 7, a Canon EOS 10S and a Canon Rebel (film).

I also have a MInolta XE-7 (all metal body, metal shutter curtain and built like an old Benz diesel) a Minolta X-700 and one of my favorites, the Minolata SR-T 101.

I am going to hang on to the film cameras. I couldn;t get any decent money for them and my son (who loves old planes and old cars) loves old cameras.

But I really have a hankering for the Digital XTi. I find that with a good printer, prints from digital cameras have outstanding quality. Plus I like the fact that I can manipulate images without having to lock myself in a darkroom getting high on D-76.

some of the reviews that I've read so far say that the XT has a better CMOS and the images are clearer and sharper even at ISO 1600. The XT's body felt better in my hands though.

What cameras do you use? what do you like? What do you recommend?

Kuan · #7 06-25-2007, 02:18 PM

Man what great kids. They owe it all to good parenting. heh...

BENZ-LGB · #8 06-25-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan

Man what great kids. They owe it all to good parenting. heh...

And they didn't even ask to "borrow" money to buy the camera!

Dee8go · #9 06-25-2007, 02:34 PM

Well, Mistress, do you know why Nikon used to make the Nikonos 5 in both orange and green bodies?

Mistress · #10 06-25-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

Well, Mistress, do you know why Nikon used to make the Nikonos 5 in both orange and green bodies?

wait let's mark the ground....on your mark, get set...did it have something to do with Marine life or just a marketing gimmic?

BENZ-LGB · #11 06-25-2007, 02:54 PM

I guess that asking why Canon paints its long lenses white is akin to asking which oil is better, dyno or synthetic.

Read below:

White/black finish of Canon telephoto lenses
Istvan Sandor, Feb 04, 2007; 02:12 a.m.

Hi, I would be curious to know how many of you would welcome if the currently white Canon lenses were available in black. Do you think it would be a good idea if they were available in both colors ? My guess is that many would welcome this and it would not mean a serious extra costs (production, logistics) for Canon. Do you think that the white finish has any technical advantage (protection from overheating under direct sunlight?) or it just serves pure marketing purposes. Yes, it is undoubtedly impressive to see the huge amount of white lenses at sports and other kind of events (advantage for Canon only) but I personally still strongly dislike the white color and it is - I think - also a disadvantage at both candids and in nature. OK, you can always put black stockings on the white lenses (as I do) but it looks a little stupid on these precious equipment. (however, for me it is still better than leaving it white). Also, for those who also not in favour of the white color, how do you go around it?

Answers
Johnson D., Feb 04, 2007; 02:47 a.m.

When I feel like being particularly fashionable I just put on a pair of red socks or a nice Hawaiian shirt. As far as lens color goes, I couldn't care less. It has absolutely zero impact on my lens purchasing decisions.

Delwyn Ching, Feb 04, 2007; 03:39 a.m.

The white color according to Canon is to offer some heat protection from the sunlight. Who cares about the white color, but it does looks cool, the lens are great. Some of Konica-Minolta's (now Sony) telephoto lenses are white.

Your best bet to get around it is to spray paint it black with Krylon or Rust Oleum; or you could use several boxes of sharpie pens.

Geoff Francis, Feb 04, 2007; 05:36 a.m.

If I were sitting at a sporting event all day in the summer sun I would definitely want a white lens to reduce heat build up. As it is I don't do that and mostly do travel phootgraphy and would prefer to be inconspicous. I doubt the 70-200 f4 L needs to be white, and I might have considered buying it if it were available in stealth black. .

Savvas Sidiropoulos, Feb 04, 2007; 06:35 a.m.

First of all, let me clear out one important thing: Ferraris should always be RED.

Now that we have this out of the way (ha ha) the white L color is something like the Ferrari red. Perhaps the long telephoto lenses would benefit by the white color during whole day summer sessions in the open (the field), however the L white color became a status symbol, so it was used on other "large" L lenses. For them, it is a marketing thing.

Thank god, some of the smaller L lenses remain black.

Now, on to the color black issue. If you go to Canon telling them: I don't like white L Lenses, it is like going to Ferrari telling them, I like your cars, but why don't they come in Green or White?

It is true that Ferrari has produced different colors, but in Europe, Ferraris are Red and Lamborginis are yellow. Period...

Bob King, Feb 04, 2007; 07:08 a.m.

If Canon changed from white to black for their telephoto L's it would be like buying a BMW without the badges.

Cheers, Bob

Ujwal Bhattarai, Feb 04, 2007; 07:37 a.m.

how about camouflage military colors ?
Surely white lens looks sexy- sth feminine. and most men like chicks.

but its not just consmetic.white serves a purpose. it prevents the lens from heating in the sun. black lenses get really hot in the sun!

but white is flashy if you plan on being discrete. its not anywhere near ideal if you shoot candids and nature (esp. birds).

if i were canon, i would paint all my lenses in Green Camouflage colors. or maybe 18% gray! that would be useful. Not black which absorbs heat, but not flashy white as well. i believe most photographers who dont like to be flashy would like "military colours" on their lenses.

just my humble opinion.

Ujwal www.ujwal.com.np

Ben Hutcherson, Feb 04, 2007; 10:00 a.m.

Canon's original reason for painting the lenses white was to reduce expansion of the fluorite element and keep the focus point from changing too much.

Then along came the 400 2.8L, which had no fluorite element but was painted white anyway. I think that the 400mm is probably the point at which the white paint went from being functional to marketing.

John White, Feb 04, 2007; 10:38 a.m.

Back to the original poster, I think it takes a little getting used to being the object of attention with these white lenses. As for the color itself, white or black doesn't bother most of us.

Maybe someone knows the answer to why did Canon switch the color from black on the Canon 80-200mm f/2.8L to white on the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L? Someone mentioned the fluorite elements but I'll have to look up both of these lenses to see if they share the same optical design.

Steve Dunn, Feb 04, 2007; 12:14 p.m.

I doubt the 70-200 f4 L needs to be white

As one of the later responses points out, the original reason for the "white" lenses was because fluorite is more sensitive to heat than traditional optical glasses are. Both 70-200/4 lenses use fluorite, so they do need to be white.

To answer another question, neither of the 70-200/2.8 lenses use fluorite. They're "white" for the same reason some of the other big L lenses are "white": marketing. I wasn't following this stuff back when Canon first started making "white" lenses but I'd imagine that Canon liked how their lenses stood out from the crowd and decided to make more of their big lenses stand out the same way.

Big lenses would still attract attention if they were black. Heck, the 100-300/4.5-5.6 USM I used to own attracted attention, and it's smaller than my 70-200/2.8L IS USM.

Imagine if Canon only used the "white" finish on lenses with fluorite elements. Instead of people asking this question every few weeks, people would instead be asking "Why are lenses A, B, and C white but lenses X, Y, and Z are black?" every few weeks.

John MacPherson, Feb 04, 2007; 12:22 p.m.

The reason why people are looking at you is not to do with your using large white Canon lenses but because you've got pantyhose on them :-)

Geoff Francis, Feb 04, 2007; 05:16 p.m.

"I doubt the 70-200 f4 L needs to be white"

The flourite is one issue, bit the real issue is whether you are out in the sun all day enough for it to heat up. The 70-200 f4, while using flourite, does not seem to me to be the type of lens that would sit all day on a tripod in the hot sun at a sporting event. It is more of a carry around lens and as such I can't imagine it getting very hot.

Ben Hutcherson, Feb 04, 2007; 08:02 p.m.

To add to what I said earlier, there were a few exceptions to the fluorite lens and white barrel rule.

Canon's first fluorite lens was the 300mm 2.8 SSC Fluorite. It had a black barrel with a green stripe around the front to designate it as a fluorite lens. It was also not internal focusing, which made it a bit unwieldy to use. Canon's experience with lens may have been what lead them to paint most of their later fluorite element lenses white.

Also, the FD 80-200 f4L had a fluorite element and was painted black. I'm not quite sure why Canon elected to paint this one black, as it came along well after all of the older great white L teles.

Yakim Peled , Feb 05, 2007; 10:07 a.m.

>> I would be curious to know how many of you would welcome if the currently white Canon lenses were available in black.

I'd love to have a black option.

>> Do you think that the white finish has any technical advantage (protection from overheating under direct sunlight?) or it just serves pure marketing purposes.

I think that the main reason for the colour is for marketing purposes. It is easy to think so when you see Canon's adds.

Happy shooting, Yakim.

Jon Austin, Feb 05, 2007; 05:21 p.m.

The only white lenses that sometimes bother me are the 1.4x and 2x extenders, when mounted in conjunction with a 135/2, 180 or 200/2.8 prime lens. The black/white/black combination (or black/white/silver with some bodies!) is just so gauche.

If you wish to read more, here is the link:

http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Jnn6

So I think that both Mistress and Dee8go are right. A happy ending.

Dee8go · #12 06-25-2007, 02:49 PM

I once heard another salesman tell a customer that certain types of fish were attracted to the orange one. I had just started at the time and so I asked the guy about it once the customer left. He started laughing and said he just made that up to get the customer to make up his mind.

I believe the white lens-thing is the truth, though.