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Matt SD300 · #**151** 11-21-2007, 09:13 PM

Like a good neighbor....Joe horn is there............

WVOtoGO · #**152** 11-21-2007, 10:33 PM

"I'm not going to let them get away with it."

How ironic... Now Joe gets to spend the rest of his (possibly short) life wondering if the friends (and/or possible fellow gang members) of Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz aren’t thinking the same thing.

tankdriver · #**153** 11-21-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I suppose we're dealing in semantics. Anybody is allowed to sue for any reason. Just fill out the paperwork properly and file it with the court. If there is no legal basis for the lawsuit, the judge will toss it out.

I wouldn't call it semantics as I think there's a distinction between not allowing someone to sue, and tossing certain cases out.

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It may be "unamerican", however, the health care industry seems to have it down pretty well. You can't sue your HMO when they refuse to pay for a specific treatment. How's that for "unamerican"?

Pretty darn unamerican.

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Wrong. It is the jury's fault. I can stand in front of a jury all day long and ask for all I want.

It doesn't mean the jury has to give it to me.

If you read the civil jury reports, most verdicts are: 1. for the defense or 2. the verdict is for far less than the lawyer asked for.

The sensational verdicts make the news.

Doesn't the case have to get past a judge to warrant a jury? And of course a lawyer has to take the case.
It seems to me lawyers and judges don't care about common sense, they only care about the argument. Like that 'my brain made me do it' post a while back.
Juries aren't much better, but they take their cue from the professionals.

cmac2012 · #**154** 11-22-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

Carl, that was like a reallife version of the movie Heat with Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino in it. I remember that incident, but never heard about the lawsuit.

Didn't see that movie, maybe I'll get it from Netflix.

I had read bits and pieces about the story, then I saw one of those MSNBC hour long docu-dramas about it. Amazing. They had all the helicopter footage and all sorts of details I hadn't heard about before.

Such as how the perps were discovered to have enormous amounts of ammo and weapons during an earlier traffic stop or something (I forget exactly) and were later able to sue to have their property returned.

I can only assume their AKs were still on semi-automatic mode at that time unlike the full auto they used during the failed bank heist. These guys were methodically professional (sorry to abuse that word), were armed and armored perhaps even better than most SWAT teams.

In the MSNBC piece were interviews with one of the most seriously injured officers who managed to survive behind a tree, even while the slime pumped dozens of rounds into the tree. He said the tree shook with every round (big ammo). The guy had numerous operations and his leg is barely functional.

At one point, one of the gunmen pointed his weapon at the helicopter but didn't fire. Jeez, he might have been able to bring it down.

cmac2012 · #**155** 11-22-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

"I'm not going to let them get away with it."

How ironic... Now Joe gets to spend the rest of his (possibly short) life wondering if the friends (and/or possible fellow gang members) of Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz aren’t thinking the same thing.

That's the tough one. Perhaps the best reason to let the police handle it if at all possible. It appears that no one's life was in immediate jeopardy here.

And I read all the time about former thieves who turn their life around after some jail time.

mgburg · #**156** 11-23-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

...A perpetrator of a crime should not be permitted to sue anybody for any reason related to the commission of that crime. The lawsuit should be summarily dismissed.

Question #1: Does a judge, in ANY CASE BROUGHT BEFORE HIM, have the levity to dismiss the case, with prejudice?

Question #2: If so...does the judge have to explain why the case was dismissed or is he allowed to use his personal "judgement" to throw the thing out before it even begins?

In the few cases I've been able to witness, the preliminary hearings always ended w/the preciding judge saying, "I find probable cause to continue this case to trial. So ordered." Bang goes the gavel and the meter's running for the defendant to come up with big bucks to save his butt.

Couldn't the judge just say, "...to heck with it. Dismissed!" and everyone is home in time for dinner?

Botnst · #**157** 11-23-2007, 10:02 AM

#1 Only if she can tell a good joke.

#2 Never explain a good joke.

mikemover · #**158** 11-23-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

OK, so there's at least one reasonable person in Texas.

Rubbish.

Come into MY neighborhood to steal, and you'll learn, either from me or one of several of my neighbors, that there is PLENTY of property that is worth shooting someone over.

Mike

mikemover · #**159** 11-23-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

yea, many shades of grey with the entire story.

I see no shades of grey there whatsoever.

Come into my home, attack me and/or my wife/daughter, and you will most CERTAINLY be "executed", if it is within my abilities to do so.

Post-execution consequences be damned.

Mike

yal · #**160** 11-23-2007, 01:03 PM

If they just looked like they were about too steal, or if they were walking down the street looking suspicious and he shot them then I have a problem. But these guys broke in and removed items through a window, once they walked out of that place with the stolen items they were fair game.

Jim B. · #**161** 11-23-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

Rubbish.

Come into MY neighborhood to steal, and you'll learn, either from me or one of several of my neighbors, that there is PLENTY of property that is worth shooting someone over.

Mike

It sounds like that neighborhood bristles like Baghdad.

Jim B. · #**162** 11-23-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

I see no shades of grey there whatsoever.

Come into my home, attack me and/or my wife/daughter, and you will most CERTAINLY be "executed", if it is within my abilities to do so.

Post-execution consequences be damned.

Mike

Judging from your avatar, I certainly do believe you.

From the tone of those remarks, it is not hard to imagine you are just aching to fatally shoot someone as soon as you can.

However, I'd think about the consequences first if I were you, though, at least to your wife/daughter, because if you don't, you might just find yourself in a place one day where it would be a long time before you EVER heard a wooden door slam, and you won't be able to take good care of your family from there.

Skid Row Joe · #**163** 11-23-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yal

If they just looked like they were about too steal, or if they were walking down the street looking suspicious and he shot them then I have a problem. But these guys broke in and removed items through a window, once they walked out of that place with the stolen items they were fair game.

Bingo!

Unfortunately, Joe Horn will probably be forced into bankruptcy paying defense attorney fees and the civil liability lawsuit damages......to the deceased vermin scum's families.

truckinik · #**164** 11-23-2007, 02:52 PM

About ten years ago, in my home town, in Ct. a preacher's home was invaded in the early hours of the morning. His wife and kids were all in the house obviously asleep in the wee hours. Three armed men came in the house, the preacher was awakened by noises, and went down stairs with his pistol. These guys were armed and in his living-room whispering and robbing the house. One of them heard him coming and opened fire on him. He apparently had the high ground vantage point and blasted all three of them dead.

Long story short...The Preacher, ended up in jail for the rest of his life.

Connecticut laws about this sort of thing should have allowed the preacher to walk..Texas, and a lot of other states WOULD have allowed him to walk...

How about our Soldiers in Foreign countries doing their jobs, and coming home to the U.S. and being prosecuted for it as crimes...?

I don't know how you all feel, but I feel like there is something wrong with all of these situations. Why are the victims, or Soldiers being treated as the culprits...?

Nick

truckinik · #**165** 11-23-2007, 02:59 PM

Were the two Mexicans Horn shot dead, even legal citizens to begin with..?

Doesn't say either way, But what are the chances, based the averages?

Nick